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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello and welcome to The Rest Is Football with me, Gary Lineker. And today, may I say, a very special guest. I've seen you for a few years. Former teammate with England. We played in two World Cups together. I think you played in three. He's had an extraordinary career and life.
And I think the thing that makes me most happy about having Terry Butcher here is that finally I've got someone that's older than me in the kitchen. Terry, a warm welcome.
Thank you very much.
Lovely to see you.
And you as well. You're looking well. How are you getting on? Yeah, we're doing okay. Just busy promoting the documentary that we've got out. But I enjoy it. It's... It's so different to football in the way the documentary is.
Let's tell everybody what it is exactly. It's a documentary of your life and it's going out? On the 7th of June. A couple of days.
10 o'clock at night. And that's on ITV4. And then thereafter it will be distributed, it'll be on ITVX. I love the title of it. Tell us what the title is. The title is Butcher. I took a lot of thinking that one. Not that. Butcher. Butcher, Invisible Wounds. Yeah. Which is sort of,
Would baffle people if they didn't know my career, but obviously the stories about my son and about what he went through as well. So you've got sort of my career to start, you know, it's initially, I didn't know how Stuart Burley, he's George Burley's son. So he knew our family was, he grew up with our family in many, many respects, went on holidays together. So he knew Chris. He was my son.
And it's very fitting, very nice from our point of view that he's the direct. I mean, he's the big force behind it. So it goes out and the start of it is me with the bloodied head and sort of thing. I had to come in somewhere. And then it's about him. It goes fast to him straight away. So it's not just one half and then one half.
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Chapter 2: What is the documentary 'Butcher: Invisible Wounds' about?
For those that are not aware, you tragically lost your son. He was obviously a soldier in the... um in the army and and it's a very very moving and poignant documentary i have to say terry i jetted to you i don't mind admitting that watching it and knowing you as i know you how difficult was it to decide actually to make it in the first place
Well, I didn't want to do it because I don't like seeing myself on TV. I don't like seeing what I've done through football. I don't like hearing myself.
Why?
I'm not going to listen to this. No, I don't like it. I just get embarrassed, I think. And particularly what you said and all the other guys in there, Alan Brazil's, Russell Osman's and Ali McCoy's. Some lovely people. What he told me, Stuart Burley, was that...
you know, it's going to be different and there's a real story to tell there, not just in the football, it's not just a documentary about me playing football, I started and I finished sort of thing, that career.
If anything, football has given me a platform where I can get to people or get to companies or whatever quicker because of that people know roughly about me, you know, what my career was and all that bloodied head business and all that sort of thing. But there is a big story to tell here, not just on me, but for my son and for veterans. And that's why I wanted to do it.
And I wanted to, we wanted to have a charity when he passed away in his honor. and honor his memory. But it was just so complicated and so much to do that we decided we'll put it on the back burner and then see if we go back to that. But we never did. And then a company called Combat to Coffee came up and that's an Ipswich run. It's run by Nigel Seaman, who's a veteran and he suffers from PTSD.
Exactly what my son did. So I've got involved with them. I'm now the patron and I love it because it's given me a purpose. It's given me a challenge because you know what football's like. It's a challenge every game you play and a challenge every club you're at, particularly with England as well. And I didn't have that. I was missing that. So this has given me a real...
It's like a cathartic sort of situation where I really enjoy doing it and it makes me want to do it. Raise awareness of veterans and their families and how they can help themselves. So you have me at the start, then you have Chris, and then you've got my career, and then you've got tragedy, and then you've got hope at the end. And that's that message of hope that hopefully comes through.
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Chapter 3: How did Terry Butcher cope with the loss of his son?
But you and Rita, pretty much similar?
Yeah, very similar. We didn't get help. There's no therapy and things like that. There is a therapy out there, but we just felt, well...
do we need it now we'll plot on and carry on and bury it and but you know you you get to a point when when you actually feel that i can talk about it more and that just takes time but to do this has been cathartic and it's been very helpful for us um and it yeah she didn't want to be on there she's quite shy so she didn't want a nightmare and
what are people going to say and all that sort of thing. I just said, look, you know, just tell it from the heart because it is a story and it's a great story, a tragic one, but it's a great story. So do it. So he was very good.
It's very moving. It really is.
And then my sons came in as well.
Yeah.
And then we had grandchildren as well. That was really nice.
Because it seemed to me that the grandchild happened during the making of it. Your first grandchild, was it? Little Austin. Yeah. So the kind of news was broken until you joined the documentary.
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Chapter 4: What were some highlights of Terry Butcher's football career?
But I would watch him a lot. When it came to the radio or TV or something like that, I'd do the Rangers games. And I saw him, yeah. I interviewed him at Parkhead after they'd been Celtic. And that's when he came out with that statement about, you know, it's not Mickey Mouse football now. But he was lovely. I mean, the stories up there are legendary stories.
And the Rangers fans absolutely adored him. And he was crazy. But at the same time, what a player. He'd win a game on his own. And he did that frequently. We've all got one. What's your favourite Gazza story?
The favorite Gazza story is, right, when Wallace Smith's the manager now, and Gazza's there, and after training one day, Brian Laudrup, great Brian Laudrup, goes in to see Wallace Smith, and he says, we have a problem. So Wallace says, okay, fine, what is it? He says, Paul Gascoigne. So he says, Wallace says, Oh, what's he done now?
He says, well, we go do training, come back in, Gazza comes back early, gets his clothes up, rushes into the shower, has his shower, we take our time and chat, and then we eventually go into the shower. So he says, well, what's the problem with that? He says, well, Gazza comes out, he says, and he gets dried, puts clothes on, and goes home. So he's, well, that's normal.
He says, no, but they're my clothes.
It's so Gazza. It's so Gazza. It's so Gazza.
It's amazing. He used to cut ties up and all that sort of thing. Oh, absolutely. Let's take a break there and then we come back. We'll get a bit more Gazza at some point. A bit more Rangers and definitely England. Thank you. Get back £100 in Hotels.com cash to use on your next getaway.
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