473. Europe vs. Trump: Competing Visions for a Ukraine Peace Deal (Question Time)
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Welcome to the Rest is Politics Question Time with me, Alistair Campbell. And with me, Rory Stewart. And a bit of an about-face week this week, because we're going to be doing the main episode on the budget, live after the budget. The UK budget. The UK budget. Yep. Oh, sorry, I forgot you were such an internationalist, and I'm just very domestic and focused on the UK. Exactly, that's... The UK budget presented by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Rachel Reeves. So we'll do that Wednesday afternoon. This is a sort of budget, UK budget-free zone.
Yes, so we're going to look, I think, at the big international issues at the moment. We're going to return to Ukraine, which people, I hope, have listened to our pod where we went in detail into the Russia-Trump-Ukraine plan. We're going to look at these big multilateral meetings that have been happening this week, in particular COP and the G20, so climate and the G20. We're going to be looking at Russia and the far right in Europe, and in particular, the prosecution of Nathan Gill. And we're also going to be touching on some other issues that really matter, including Addiction Awareness Week. So, Ukraine.
Diane Stevenson, tripless member from Hampshire. Does the rest of Europe... the democratic parts anyway, not realise that Putin has to be rolled back here and now. Why are we hesitating? Is it that we can't do without the USA or are we really so stupid to think he won't continue to invade if he's allowed to? So there's a lot in that. Now, we went through the, I think you're doing a huge service by calling it a plan, the US-Russia plan. I think you mean the US-Russia 28-point paper. I think you'd be struggling to call it a plan. What has happened since then, as we suggested it would, is that the Europeans and the Ukrainians have pushed back. Now, we went through it point by point. And I think what we should do in the newsletter is try and put side by side the US-Russian 28 point, quotes, plan, close quotes, and the counterproposal by the EU.
Because it's a very clever piece of rewriting. I do, I have to say, detect the hand of Jonathan Powell in some of it. Just to give you a couple. So the American text said Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed, okay? The rewritten European text says it will be reconfirmed. In other words, it is never in doubt, and we're not going to put it in doubt now. The American version talked about all ambiguities from the last 30 years will be...
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