Alastair Campbell

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This is a deliberate thing of constantly wrapping up what they're doing in religious rhetoric.

And if you are somebody like Pope Leo, who clearly can't stand what these people are doing to America and to the world, then you can see why he would get very, very offended.

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And me, Alistair Campbell.

And we're going to talk Trump v. the Pope again because he keeps rumbling on.

We are going to have a bit of a deep dive into the well-organized funding of right-wing organizations against women's rights and other issues, which will take us into Hungary, which plays a big part in that.

And then we'll maybe try and lighten up a bit because it's been a pretty...