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The Rewatchables

‘F1’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

23 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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The Rewatchables, brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The Watch with CR. That's me. Is this our third Rewatchables this week? Yes. It's the third published Rewatchables. Are you tired of seeing me? No, I love it, man.

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18.498 - 19.74 Chris Ryan

You're the reason I get up in the morning.

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Higher learning.

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21.614 - 22.556 Chris Ryan

Midnight Boys.

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Midnight Boys. And then... I almost forgot the name of the podcast.

25.221 - 26.042 Bill Simmons

The Ringer Tailgate.

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No, because that was... Which is just coming into its own. It is. It's quite a podcast. Billy Gill came in. He shook things up. A lot like... Who is Beecher's guy and us? Who's the guy that Chris Maloney played? What was that guy's name? When he came in and shook up us?

42.954 - 51.049 Bill Simmons

He shook up Beecher, all right. He shook the shit out of us. He really did shake him up. Billy Gill, but his name is The Duke, though. That's his name. The Duke? The Duke.

51.069 - 55.056 Chris Ryan

Like as in Escape from New York? That's Billy's nickname.

Chapter 2: What are the main themes of the movie F1?

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It's like, what do they know about movies? Brad Pitt. Maybe at the tail end of seeming realistic as an F1 driver.

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160.135 - 171.729 Chris Ryan

There was a solid 24 months where it's like F1 is still shooting. They are shooting like in this country, in that country, at this race. And the strikes and COVID and everything that slowed it down. They're in like Abu Dhabi. Then they're in like Monaco.

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171.849 - 193.657 Bill Simmons

All over the place. Wherever they were having races. Movie making is a complicated thing. But the story of making the movie should never be complicated. Like the more complicated the story of making the film is, the more people feel like it's just going to be a disaster. And this was complicated from the technology that they needed, from the strikes, from all of the stuff that was going on.

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193.738 - 195.941 Bill Simmons

It was a very, very complicated production.

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196.061 - 218.692 Chris Ryan

I'm glad Van's here because I wanted to sort of lead the conversation with a declaration, which is that I feel the way... The way I'm supposed to feel about Avatar... I feel that way about F1. That's what I'm talking about. Like, this is fucking incredible. How did they do this? This is pushing movie making forward. I don't really care what the story is. This is mind-blowing.

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Well, a good movie to end 2025 on too because I do think this was the year we got sucked back into movie theaters. Sucked back. Sinners, F1, One Battle, Minecraft. Sure. Conjuring, Last Rites.

232.501 - 233.103 Chris Ryan

Saw that in theaters.

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There were a bunch of movies this year where you're like, I don't want to wait until that's on my TV. I want to go see this. And F1 was a great example. You had to see it on IMAX. It was fucking awesome. I went with my whole family. We did like a 9.30 showing at the Grove. Oh, wow. And nobody was on their phone the whole time. Drove home. Everyone was exhilarated.

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We were like, that's what we want from a movie right there. And it's good at home. Watching it a second time, still good on the TVs. Not as good as in the movie theater. But classic sports movie. Has a lot of tropes.

Chapter 3: How does the movie compare to other sports films?

472.886 - 478.193 Chris Ryan

And I like F1. I think I had, like most people, my short-lived affair with Drive to Survive.

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Get up at 6 in the morning.

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479.374 - 500.528 Chris Ryan

I never did that. Because I'm already up early enough watching soccer. I can't have two global sports that make me wake up at weird times. But I will say that... Like, take Color of Money, right? Like, if I was like, let's watch Billiards, you'd be like, I'm good. You know, like, there's got to be... Ben's like, is that tall Asian lady playing? You talking about Black Widow?

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500.708 - 501.208 Van Lathan

Yeah.

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501.229 - 502.69 Chris Ryan

Is the Black Widow playing? Black Widow?

502.971 - 506.035 Bill Simmons

Jeanette? Jeanette Lee playing?

Chapter 4: What insights are shared about the production challenges?

506.335 - 515.006 Chris Ryan

I think she got sick after a while. But if you watch Color of Money, you're like, Billiards is the most exciting cinematic thing anyone could possibly do. How about Ping Pong with Marty Supreme? Of course.

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515.266 - 518.991 Bill Simmons

Ping Pong. Okay, I have to... I do enjoy watching both of those sports.

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519.123 - 519.824 Van Lathan

Yeah.

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519.844 - 541.423 Bill Simmons

Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, when I was into pool. What about darts? Darts, I've never, I like, but there are sports I like to watch, like, you know, guys throw axes and then lumberjacks and all that. But ping pong is the only thing that I don't know that I like watching it until it's actually on. So I will never go watch ping pong. You never seek it.

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541.683 - 548.91 Bill Simmons

But when I see ping pong or table tennis then playing it, it is one of the most amazing things I feel like a human being can do to play the sport.

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Well, I wrote down, if I'm paying 30 bucks for a movie, I want the ability to feel. I want to feel things. This movie made you feel. It's a human response movie. That first crash, which when we do rewatchable scenes, first time you see it in the theater, The Monza crash? When JP crashes. It's like you just can't believe it. And then it's so cool in the way they do it and the way it's shot.

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I mean, I love that in 2025, we're still getting better at stuff. And I think in this case, we're just getting better. This movie in 1990 was Days of Thunder, which is a very cool movie that I like a lot that we've done on the rewatchables. But it's night and day when you see some of the shit they did with the cameras.

592.364 - 613.012 Chris Ryan

Yeah, I mean, in some ways, like in terms of filming movement, I would argue Kaczynski is the first person to push it forward since Tony Scott. Like in terms of filming like a piece of machinery going like Top Gun Maverick this and it's like he really is an inheritor of some of like his Tony Scott's like stylistic revelations.

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The last scene when he's when he's flying basically when Sonny's about to win the race. Yeah. The first time seeing that in the theater, you kind of knew it was probably going to happen because you set it up in the monologue. But then when they do it, and there's no soundtrack, and it's just the sound, and it's just Pitt's face, and it's just incredibly well done.

Chapter 5: What happens to Newman in the race?

3357.903 - 3381.606 Bill Simmons

Newman wins, but he doesn't know that he actually didn't win, that he's in a world now to where he can't see the angles anymore. So actually, Vince won. So you walk away, you kind of get the best of both worlds. Now you get Eddie Filson renewed and all of that, and you get the actual character walking away smiling, the young guy smiling.

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3382.147 - 3390.497 Bill Simmons

In this movie, though, I'm going to keep it all the way real with y'all. I didn't go to the movie to watch Damson win the race.

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Chapter 6: Why was Damson's character's win unsatisfying?

3390.517 - 3409.126 Bill Simmons

So here's the only flip I would say. What you are saying is true, but by the time we built it up to him, because they didn't do enough for Damson's character in the movie to make him winning the race satisfactory. If his mom would have needed, if we knew more about all of this stuff. I completely agree with you.

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But they didn't do enough for his character for him to win the race. First time I was shocked that he didn't win. Second time pit winning made more sense to me in the context of the movie. But I still think it's more interesting if they flip it. It's just a more interesting movie.

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3422.873 - 3435.807 Chris Ryan

Like, the movie that probably did the handover the best is Creed. And it's also a very successful franchise about a new quote-unquote character, even though it's like a legacy character. I was going to say Any Given Sunday. Because Cap gets hurt right before halftime.

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3435.848 - 3437.99 Unknown

Sure. Makes the Dennis Quaid face.

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3438.07 - 3444.517 Bill Simmons

But Cap, like, once again, in that movie, there's no stakes in Willie Beeman taking over Cap. We barely get to know Cap.

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We're doing it in 2027.

3445.718 - 3448.221 Chris Ryan

But it would be kind of cool if, like...

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It's a redo.

3448.982 - 3452.045 Chris Ryan

Sonny crashes in Vegas and he's not allowed to race anymore.

Chapter 7: What are the best scenes in the movie?

3452.266 - 3464.78 Chris Ryan

Like Ruben won't let him race. So he becomes the guy on the ear. You know, Kate. Yeah, nobody wants that. I know. But I'm just saying like it's bad for the movie industry if we do not make these dudes into like superstars. I don't disagree.

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3465.121 - 3473.07 Bill Simmons

Like you wonder if in F2 if JP gets to win or if they even they could literally not bring JP back for F2.

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3473.29 - 3478.216 Chris Ryan

Fuck, I mean F2 could just be Brad Pitt and Baja and I go see it. Yeah. Would you see that?

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3478.737 - 3487.807 Bill Simmons

Yeah. I'll probably go watch it. Brad, Sonny Bunch and Baja. Yeah. Let Taylor Sheridan ride it. The cartel's coming after him.

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3489.869 - 3493.453 Chris Ryan

Okay. So that was my hottest take, but we put it in for Abu Dhabi.

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You know, when you get old in life, things get taken away from you. It's part of life. You only learn that when you start losing stuff. Find out that life is just a game of inches. Are you just doing Any Given Sunday?

Chapter 8: How does F1 compare to other sports in popularity?

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What's happening?

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I'm just getting you guys ready for 2026 Any Given Sunday. And this team, we fight for that itch! I was like, did Sonny say that? Yeah. I'm like, what's going on? That probably would have been the way to have Sonny not race in the final race as he gives a particular Any Given Sunday speech to JP.

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3526.079 - 3534.035 Chris Ryan

What's your most rewatchable scene? Monza. It's fucking awesome. The virtual safety car, the rain coming in, Sonny cuts off Max.

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I like when the guy whips the fire thing to him so Sonny's closer.

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3537.222 - 3551.033 Chris Ryan

It's like good little details. The slingshot move in the rain spray is awesome. So Monza. I also really like the British Grand Prix when Sonny doesn't start It's like the race starts and Sonny's just sitting there and they're like, what's he doing?

3551.233 - 3551.454 Bill Simmons

Yeah.

3551.514 - 3553.459 Chris Ryan

What's he doing? He's playing us.

3553.6 - 3575.011 Bill Simmons

Yeah. If not for him, flying is definitely Monza for me. But the flying part was just really cool. That's my answer as well. There's only one other scene that I like. I love the ending in this movie. I love any scene in a movie where two old friends see each other, but at first they pretend like they don't know each other. Yeah. That's what CR and I are going to do. Oh, at the diner?

3575.251 - 3585.16 Bill Simmons

Yeah, at the diner. You old son of a bitch. Come here, you son of a bitch. Come here, you son of a bitch. You old fucking son. It's good to see you. I love any scene like that.

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