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Basil the Great: Episode Four

21 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What significant changes occurred in Basil's monastery after eight years?

1.027 - 30.696 Narrator

village of Onesi, 368 AD. Eight years have passed since Basil's return home. Eight years of hard work and sacrifice. Basil and Macrina now run a new kind of monastery, an expansive, impressive city of prayer and almsgiving. While their monastery grows, a new emperor is rising to power. An emperor who sees this monastery and Basil as a threat to his pagan power.

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Chapter 2: How does the rise of a new emperor impact Basil and his monastery?

37.342 - 51.621 Host

The Saints, Adventures of Faith and Courage. Basil the Great. Episode 4, Persecution Comes. Listen to all the episodes and discover new shows at thesaintspodcast.com.

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60.848 - 63.671 Gregory

Where is this great Basil I keep hearing of?

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Chapter 3: What unique features define Basil and Macrina's monastery?

64.392 - 88.341 Gregory

Gregory? Hello, Basil. It's been a long time. Years? It's so good to see you, old friend. You too, Basil. You've certainly changed since I last saw you in Athens. Thank God, yes. Tell me about this strange project you're working on, a monastery. The monasteries I know of are mud huts out in the desert, but this, this looks like a city.

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88.574 - 108.044 Basil

Christ has called us to be in the world, but not of it. We feed the hungry. We are building a hospital to care for the sick. We pray for the world, but we don't live as the pagans live. We pray and work together. And now we are almost finished constructing a church. We just need a priest.

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108.946 - 116.337 Gregory

Do you know any? I might, but he prefers to remain anonymous for now.

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Chapter 4: How does Basil respond to the threats of persecution?

118.19 - 120.573 Gregory

It's you, isn't it? Nothing gets past you.

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121.393 - 143.197 Basil

Father Gregory, will you join us? Celebrate the divine mysteries of the Eucharist here. Basil! Basil! Come quickly! It's finished! Sure, it's small, but it's finished! We have a church! What do you think, Gregory?

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144.198 - 147.522 Gregory

It would be an honor to celebrate the Mass at this altar.

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147.907 - 158.821 Basil

Soon this church will not hold all the faithful who come to pray the Mass. Word is getting out, and there has been no sign of Julian's so-called persecution here. Yet.

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165.95 - 177.424 Emperor Valens

Fighting is heavy, Emperor Julian. The army is crumbling. Mars has defended us until now, Modestus. He'll assist us in this war. The gods will defend me.

186.719 - 194.228 Unknown

The Emperor has fallen!

194.248 - 197.912 Basil

There are more and more people coming to our monastery. More than we can fit!

198.192 - 199.093 Bishop Eustathius

Isn't it wonderful?

199.153 - 215.933 Basil

Do you hear that? What is it? Let us go and see. The Emperor has died! We have a new Emperor! Julian the Apostate is dead!

Chapter 5: What challenges does Basil face with the new emperor Valens?

218.326 - 222.932 Gregory

God have mercy on Julian. Aye. God have mercy.

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225.936 - 232.184 Bishop Eustathius

Basil? Basil, come here. Quickly. Easy, Bishop. Hold my arm. Basil!

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232.204 - 242.958 Basil

I'm here. Macrina, what? Bishop Eustathius, how did you get here? After Julian became emperor, I was dismissed from the university in Athens.

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243.899 - 256.975 Narrator

I went to Caesarea here in Cappadocia. Everyone has been talking about the strange new monastery erected on the hillside of Anissi. I had to see it for myself.

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258.316 - 301.303 Basil

I am glad you are here. You built all of this? The Lord did. With your hands. Undying Basil, I would like to spend my last days here. We would be honored to have you here with us. Your reputation precedes you, Basil. You have become a great teacher. I know. I have seen the fruits of your labor. I want you to be my successor. Me? A bishop? I... I don't know. Hush.

303.241 - 309.151 Narrator

The Holy Spirit will keep on using your hands and heart to do his work.

316.104 - 334.006 Basil

Chirotonia, Basil. I lay my hands on your head. Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

336.41 - 338.894 Unknown

Axios Bishop Basil!

344.122 - 358.48 Basil

I prayed for you. since the day you stormed out of my study in Athens ten years ago. I prayed for you, Basil.

Chapter 6: What actions does the emperor take against the bishop Athanasius?

358.5 - 395.056 Basil

You are a great man. But the road only gets harder from here. Remain strong. Let our dear, blessed Lord guide you. He is pleased with you. Eustathius, I will now confer unto you the mystery of holy unction. You will soon see face to face Christ the Lord. Pray for us.

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396.638 - 397.339 Unknown

I will.

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403.681 - 437.183 Basil

Friends, the good Bishop Eustathius has died. He will be rewarded for his faithful ministry amidst uncertainty, persecution, and the confusion of heresy which has polluted the minds of so many. We continue to live in uncertain times, but let us never despair or lose hope. The new emperor, Valens, I hear, has embraced Arius' heretical views.

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437.785 - 467.578 Basil

But he is not a pagan like Julian, and perhaps we will live in peace. The sanctity of our lives will inspire the love of God in their hearts, just as it burned in the heart of Bishop Eustathius. Yet even if this hope should fail, let us cling to the sure hope of eternal life towards which all of our earthly labors are directed, which the good bishop now enjoys.

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468.76 - 484.701 Basil

Neither torture nor exile can take away our hope in Jesus Christ, our Lord and God, to whom belongs all glory, honor and power forever. Amen.

488.022 - 496.013 Emperor Valens

Attention! The Emperor Valens!

Chapter 7: How does Basil plan to protect his flock during persecution?

496.033 - 514.479 Basil

Leave us. Modestus. Yes, Lord Emperor. I am troubled. What is it, sire? I have just received news that the bishop Athanasius has condemned me as a heretic in Caesarea.

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515.46 - 517.303 Emperor Valens

He is a very popular bishop.

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519.815 - 521.738 Basil

He must be made into an example.

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522.78 - 524.202 Emperor Valens

An example, Lord Emperor?

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524.943 - 564.356 Basil

Yes, an example. I'm sending you to Cappadocia, Modestus. You will find the bishop and demand that he profess the Arian Creed and pledge his loyalty to me. And if he refuses? Burn down his church. strip him naked and drag him into the street and beat him, kill him. Do whatever it takes to make him embrace our rule or leave his body to the wild dogs. Yes, Lord Emperor.

565.497 - 575.252 Basil

Modestus, Julian was known for his soft hand in religious matters. I do not want to garner the same reputation.

585.577 - 599.97 Gregory

Basil, I've been wondering, do you still read the pagan philosophers? I do. I'm surprised. It seemed like it would be the cause of your downfall back in Athens. Why do you keep reading them?

602.035 - 631.412 Basil

Look at it this way. It's certain that we have, in our nature, the capacity to obey all God's commandments. Above all, the commandment to love Him. If we act according to His commandments, we live a life of virtue. If not, we succumb to vice. So is reading pagan philosophers a path to virtue or to vice? Both are possible, but I think it is a question of love. A question of love?

632.067 - 641.199 Basil

If we read Plato and Aristotle in search of a greater love of the divine majesty, our affections for our dear crucified Jesus can only grow.

Chapter 8: What final confrontation occurs between Basil and the emperor's forces?

737.307 - 775.193 Basil

Did he at least pledge fealty to us? He refused. And? Did you have him drawn and quartered? Crucified? What tortures did you impose? We warned him that there would be severe consequences. Did you not carry out the threat? No, Lord Emperor, we could not. The bishop fled and went into hiding. So you directly disobeyed my orders, Modestus. But sire, you profess the Arian creed.

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775.975 - 809.306 Basil

Do you think it is right for us to torture Christians into submission? It is right to carry out the lawful order of your emperor. You know, Modestus, you are right. You're right. I will be merciful towards your insolence. Tell me, do you like grapes, Modestus? Here.

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811.81 - 815.534 Emperor Valens

Grapes? I, uh... Yes, I do.

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816.436 - 822.496 Basil

Try it. How is it? Describe it to me.

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825.04 - 829.325 Emperor Valens

Good. Firm. A good crunch under the teeth.

830.747 - 855.327 Basil

Mm-hmm. Exactly. The bishops are like grapes, Modestus. Good. Firm. But they are easily squashed under pressure. Oof. What is it, Lord Emperor? I have a tooth that is rotting.

856.388 - 858.611 Emperor Valens

Ah. You better have it removed.

859.773 - 890.62 Basil

Modestus, you're right. A tooth that cannot squash a little grape should certainly be removed. Yes, well... I don't want any more excuses, Modestus. One of these dissenting bishops, Basil... I hear he's been constructing a strange monastery, building houses for the sick. I also hear that he condemns our position and undermines my authority.

892.182 - 912.557 Basil

This is your opportunity to receive Christian mercy, Modestus. Bring me Bishop Basil. Yes, sir. Modestus. Sire. I don't want to have any more teeth removed. Understood.

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