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Philip Neri: Episode Four

30 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What antics does Philip Neri engage in during 1548 Rome?

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Rome 1548. Philip is still up to his usual antics, converting the wayward, entertaining boys on the street, and charming everyone he meets. But his friend, Father Ignatius of Loyola, isn't sure this amounts to a vocation. So, what work is God preparing Philip for?

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30.018 - 44.078 Peter Atkinson

The Saints, Adventures of Faith and Courage. Philip Neri, Episode 4, The Bell. Listen to all the episodes and discover new shows at thesaintspodcast.com.

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Now, where did we leave off, Doctor? Philip was influencing young men, and some were even considering the priesthood. Yes, yes. In Rome, sometimes there were a lot of temptations for young men. Carnival was a time for indulgence. It fell before the Lenten fast. Folks would make sure to have plenty of rich foods and drinks.

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Chapter 2: Why does Father Ignatius question Philip's vocation?

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Meat, sweets, and wine were consumed in abundance. Large feasts were hosted by the wealthy. but even the poor participated in the festivities. It sounds like a time to eat, drink, and be merry. Yes, the people knew that the austerity of Lent was just around the corner, and Philip Neri knew just how to divert the young men into a different kind of festivity. A toast to Philip! A toast to Philip!

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Who's brought us all together? We're here!

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104.854 - 107.798 Roberto

Hurrah for the traveling home of Christian mirth!

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110.309 - 113.813 Philip Neri

Thank you, thank you, gentlemen. It is an honor to be in your company.

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Are you going to the carnival tomorrow?

116.356 - 122.283 Roberto

Of course. All the pretty girls, singing, dancing, everyone in a dangerously good mood.

122.443 - 147.823 Philip Neri

What about you, Philip? No, no, I have other plans. What plans? You are more than welcome to join me. I'm doing the tour of the seven churches. I've never heard of this. That's because I made it up. We'll start at St. Peter's at dawn. on. Then walk to St. Mary Major, St. Lawrence, and Santa Croce de Gerusalemme. This is going to take all day. Exactly.

148.244 - 164.228 Philip Neri

We'll have lunch at the Metei Family Gardens by John Lateran, then finish our seven with St. Paul Outside the Walls and St. Sebastian. You couldn't have picked churches that were closer together? I'll walk through the Eternal City. Tell me, what would be a better use of our time? I'll wait.

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You win, Philip.

Chapter 3: What plans does Philip have instead of attending the carnival?

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I'll be there. Me too. I'll invite Luca along.

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171.918 - 173.119 Philip Neri

How about you, Roberto?

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I... well... Philip, you're forgetting that all the pretty girls will be at the carnival. Not hiking all over Rome and lurking in churches.

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184.55 - 192.358 Roberto

Oh, enough. I'll come. I won't be the odd man out. At least I'll get a story out of this. Yes. This will really impress the girls, Roberto.

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I can't believe I agreed to this.

207.054 - 211.038 Philip Neri

We're already at our first stop. It'll be fun. I promise.

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I believe you. I'm just also going to be sore tomorrow from all this walking and step climbing. We have to walk fast if we're going to make it to all seven churches before sunset. Exactly. Philip?

237.656 - 251.016 Philip Neri

Is that you? Father Ignatius. We're always meeting here at St. Mary Major. What brings you here today? I'm leading these young men on a Seven Churches pilgrimage. Care to join? We have five left. Yes, join us, Father Ignatius.

251.357 - 254.301 Roberto

Come on, join our crazy party. I'd love to.

Chapter 4: How does Philip plan to divert young men from temptations?

264.277 - 269.089 Pietro

Can I talk to you outside? before we get to the picnic in St. John Lateran? Of course.

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269.75 - 279.502 Philip Neri

Let's step outside now while the others are praying. What can I do for you, Pietro?

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I want to join the Society of Jesus Father Ignatius founded.

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284.008 - 284.529 Philip Neri

You told me.

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Yes, but what do you think?

286.651 - 288.233 Philip Neri

It sounds like a wonderful plan to me.

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Really?

289.575 - 296.123 Philip Neri

If this is what God wants from you, then yes, completely. I think the Society of Jesus would be a very good fit for you.

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Thanks, Philip. I want to go find Father Ignatius right now and join.

Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Seven Churches pilgrimage?

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Ready to go, Philip?

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390.957 - 407.405 Philip Neri

I am, but Antonio's still inside praying. What's our next stop? It'll be our last stop. St. Sebastian. Would you be available to hear confessions? Of course. Thank you. Father Rosa will be there to hear confessions as well, but I think some more of the boys will meet there.

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We'll need two priests to get through all of them. Well, I can stay as long as there are penitents. Excellent. Philip. Pietro told me he wants to join the Society. He wasted no time. He told me two churches ago he was interested. You gave him the confidence to dive in right away. I just told him it was a good idea.

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428.44 - 429.281 Father Ignatius

Well, thank you, Philip.

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But don't think I'm going to join, too. I've given up having you join me in the Society of Jesus. It's better this way. I have figured out what you are. What's that?

442.299 - 455.279 Father Ignatius

The bell. The bell? The bell. The bell. It calls people into church, but stays in the belfry. So you send others into religious life, but stay in the world yourself.

456.522 - 460.232 Philip Neri

Hmm. I like that. The bell.

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What is it, Philip?

477.04 - 481.708 Philip Neri

I want to do more. I want to give more to these men and boys following me.

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