Why You Miss the Lies of People You Love | Evy Poumpouras
episodePreviously titled “Former Secret Service Agent Reveals How to Read Anyone” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 12, 2026
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What insights does a former Secret Service agent share about reading people?
Loman loppuminen ja pakkaaminen voi tuntua ikävältä. Jopa niin ikävältä, että laukkujen kasaaminen oven eteen tuntuu hyvältä ajatukselta. Säärepori. Lomia, joiden et soisi loppuvan. Ostaa, vuokraattaa, myy. Oiko tiellä kaikki järjestyy?
When we left for the winter holiday, I thought we would go by car first. But then we went by train and dad drove our car there. We stayed there in the train all night. The sleeping car was really nice, except I wanted to sleep upstairs. But my sister went there when she was older. And in the morning, when I woke up, we were together. Freedom travels by rail. VR. On a joint journey.
How can open-ended questions improve communication and trust?
All people lie. The research varies. Some research says some people will lie 10 times within a conversation. Sometimes with people that we know very well, we can see it. Because sometimes you'll have people say, well, I was married to someone or I was close to someone and I didn't see it. And because we're invested in that person, we want to believe the lie. A former Secret Service agent who's mastered the art of people reading, using these skills to help build trust and detect lies in your own relationships. Every porpoise...
What are the social cues or psychological behaviors to know whether they're actually telling the truth?
It could be a very subtle thing, or you might not give me anything. And actually, the number one way people lie
I'm curious, if I would have had the secrets growing up on how to lie better where I didn't get caught, what would I need to have done better? Because I got caught a lot lying to my dad and my mom all the time. What would I have needed to do better? Or should I just not try to ever lie and just be completely honest and not worry about it?
What strategies help build authority and credibility in conversations?
I think some lying to some degree is healthy.
Really?
Well, if somebody's calling you and you don't want to answer the phone and they're very a taxing person or emotionally, you know, those emotional vampires are just someone that's not unhealthy for you. Voicemail, sorry, I was busy. I think in some situations it's okay. But as far as like lying, it's interesting you say that because we would, to become a special agent, there was a polygraph that you would have to take, and these things would come up as far as like, do you steal, do you cheat, do you lie? But often people were worried about telling the truth, and what they'd do is they wouldn't tell the truth. You know, yes, I stole, yes, I did this, and they would hold it in, and they'd fail their polygraph or fail that part of the interview.
And had they told the truth, they probably would have been fine, because it was more of an integrity thing.
It's more like tell the truth and not pass the test, but at least you're telling the truth.
You'll pass the test if you tell the truth. Here's the thing. It's like the thought process is if you're going to lie about this, a polygraph, you know, then you're going to lie about everything. All right.
Why is conditional trust more effective than unconditional trust?
And so it's a big part of the job is trust because you get so much power, so much authority. You're around the president of the United States. You're really around, you know, secret environments, so to speak. And so they really need to know that you can just be dropped anywhere and it's OK. So it's really about the integrity of it.
How many polygraph tests did you take to study doing this process as an agent?
I didn't take a lot, but I had to take them and then pass them myself because you have to get in. So I would be polygraphed. Are you, you know, about my background or... You know, and I can't get into the details I'm kind of filtering now in my head. But basically, you know, you're trustworthy. Are you looking to cause harm? Have I convicted any felonies that I've not shared? Drugs tended to be a big disqualifier for a lot of folks.
Drugs.
How can one maintain composure during confrontational interactions?
Have you done drugs or have you been... Drug use or drug experimentation. So they would allow...
Hey, when you were 16, if you did it for a few months.
They allow, they have criteria. I think today it's a lot more lenient. When I went in, it was extremely strict.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What insights does a former Secret Service agent share about reading people?
0:03–1:20
2
How can open-ended questions improve communication and trust?
1:20–2:23
3
What strategies help build authority and credibility in conversations?
2:23–3:29
4
Why is conditional trust more effective than unconditional trust?
3:29–4:20
5
How can one maintain composure during confrontational interactions?
4:20–5:15
6
What methods can help overcome indecisiveness and build confidence?
5:15–6:04
7
How does body language influence perceptions of truthfulness?
6:04–6:46
8
What lessons about honesty and integrity does the guest emphasize?
6:46–1:11:29
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