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The School of Greatness

Why Healing Your Past Won't Change Your Life

26 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the invisible glass ceilings limiting our potential?

0.031 - 19.356 Katherine Woodward Thomas

The thing about the I'm not good enough, and that is the most pervasive one, although the second runner up is I'm alone. Everything that is not working, if I'm not getting fed properly, people are ignoring my needs. If I'm aware that my mother didn't want to be pregnant with me, I might form a self-sense of I'm not wanted.

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19.336 - 21.362 Lewis Howes

Wow. Whether she said it or not.

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21.583 - 23.729 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Absolutely. And it happens in the womb.

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24.331 - 33.818 Lewis Howes

She is a licensed marriage and family therapist, a New York Times bestselling author, and an internationally recognized teacher of personal transformation. Katherine Woodward Thomas.

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34.304 - 40.312 Katherine Woodward Thomas

You actually cannot progress in your life when you are making a home of victimization.

40.392 - 46.159 Lewis Howes

What if all these bad things happened to us? We were traumatized, someone hurt us, they abused us, they abandoned us.

Chapter 2: How do childhood experiences shape our core beliefs?

46.379 - 48.061 Lewis Howes

Shouldn't we feel victimized?

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48.081 - 56.912 Katherine Woodward Thomas

So you want to look at how is I the source of it? Who was I being that allowed that to happen? You have to kind of put your big girl, big boy panties on and really show up for yourself.

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It's hard to create from a victimhood is what I'm hearing.

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58.975 - 64.547 Katherine Woodward Thomas

You can't create from victimhood. The first entry to creativity is giving up victimization.

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67.548 - 81.987 Lewis Howes

Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. I'm very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Catherine Woodward Thomas in the house. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist, a New York Times bestselling author and an internationally recognized teacher of personal transformation.

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She spent decades helping people clear emotional blocks, align their inner world and consciously create the life and relationships they desire. And I'm excited that you're here because the last time you were on was over a decade ago. And it was such a powerful conversation to help people heal. And you have a new book out called What's True About You?

103.939 - 128.237 Lewis Howes

Seven Steps to Move Beyond Your Painful Past and Manifest Your Brightest Future. And the first thing I want to ask you, Catherine, is about why so many people don't feel like they are enough. You have... these different core beliefs that you talk about in your book that block people from manifesting their greatest future and from feeling enough.

129.099 - 138.833 Lewis Howes

Why do you think one of the biggest core blocks that holds people back is I am not good enough? Where does that come from and how can we start to overcome that?

139.614 - 160.195 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Well, when we're young, our, our, our, task is to form a sense of self and to understand who we are for others and where we fit into this world. And so when you're young and you can't do things for yourself and you have

Chapter 3: What is the difference between healing and transformation?

261.693 - 286.47 Katherine Woodward Thomas

And then also, there's a projection onto life that somehow I'm insignificant, that no matter what I do, I cannot get ahead. I have to do twice as much for half the reward. So there's a whole worldview that's centered on who I am, what is or is not possible for me, how other people are going to treat me, or how other people will feel about me.

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286.45 - 307.556 Katherine Woodward Thomas

The thing about the I'm not good enough, and that is the most pervasive one, although the second runner-up is I'm alone, particularly in America, where we kind of live with rugged individualism, and we're all so separate, and we're on our little devices, which is only increasing that. But there are actually, you know, 22 of them, which I've determined are the most common ones.

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22 core beliefs?

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309.321 - 331.343 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Core beliefs at the level of identity that will actually serve as the inner glass ceilings on our potentials. Now, why they get perpetuated is what's interesting to me. So that's where they come from. We're forming identity before we have the cognitive capacity to understand the complexities of what's happening around us.

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331.864 - 346.972 Katherine Woodward Thomas

So everything that is not working, if I'm not getting fed properly, people are ignoring my needs. If I'm aware that my mother didn't want to be pregnant with me, I might form a self-sense of I'm not wanted.

347.153 - 356.333 Lewis Howes

Wow. Whether she said it or not. Maybe she said something about it or maybe she just gave energy that she's frustrated with you and you think, oh, she really didn't want me.

356.313 - 357.515 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Absolutely.

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It could be any interpretation, right?

359.058 - 373.162 Katherine Woodward Thomas

And it happens in the womb. There's scientific evidence, and I cite the evidence in the book. There's scientific evidence about how consciousness at the level of identity is often imprinted in the womb.

Chapter 4: How can we shift from victimhood to empowerment?

432.221 - 456.02 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Like how did these beliefs form? Where do they come from? What I'm interested in as a person who is committed to helping people to actualize their potentials, become the highest and best, most authentic version of themselves, live out loud, be like a shining star shooting through the sky in this lifetime. Like, you know, really, that's why we all came here.

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456.461 - 465.496 Katherine Woodward Thomas

So what I'm interested in is why does that pattern keep showing up over and over and over again? And that's what the book is deconstructing.

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466.637 - 483.807 Lewis Howes

Well, yes, I guess one is identifying, you know, you might be living with one of these beliefs, which is I am alone. I am bad. I don't belong. I'm a burden. I'm crazy. I'm damaged goods. I'm different. I'm disgusting. I'm not enough. I'm a failure. I'm not, I'm not important. I'm invisible. All these things.

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Yeah.

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Chapter 5: What are the 22 core beliefs that hold us back?

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I feel like I felt all those at some point in my life. It's like every one of those I could identify with a time where I am stupid, I'm not safe, I'm powerless, I don't matter, I'm too much, I'm unworthy, I'm not valuable, I'm not wanted, I am wrong. I can relate to all those at some point in my life.

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And I can think back to when I was a child or my teens or 20, even a few years ago and say, oh, there's a point of this where, yeah, I could relate to that. Maybe I don't live into those anymore, but I can definitely relate to feeling that and not knowing how to break free from those feelings. Exactly. Like first you have to identify, okay, I'm saying over and over again that no one loves me.

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that I'm always left behind or I'm not enough or I don't matter or whatever one of these beliefs is, I'm a burden, I'm bad, I'm wrong, all these things. The first one I'm hearing you say is like learning to identify of what's keeping us playing small from these feelings and then figuring out how do we break free of each one that we identify with, which is really hard if you don't have the tools.

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551.692 - 578.35 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Well, and I think people have been trying to do it for years. I mean, I became a psychotherapist kind of from the inside out only because I was so committed to breaking free of my own unconscious false beliefs. I actually call them source fracture stories, the original break in belonging stories. the original wounding, and that I went to therapy for years. And yes, it helped.

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578.61 - 587.834 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Oh my gosh, it saved my life actually, really, because I was a compulsive overeater. I had an addiction that was severe. I was non-functional. So therapy really helped.

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Overeater, is that what you said?

588.795 - 613.727 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Yeah, overeater. I was a binge eater when I was in my early teens and early 20s. It was out of control. I was even unemployable. So it kind of was a great thing, really, because it forced me to do my own work. I couldn't progress in life unless I handled that. So I went to therapy. I went to 12-step programs. I did all sorts of things to try and heal it. Now, it helps to go back.

613.867 - 634.692 Katherine Woodward Thomas

You've got to grieve. You've got to see what happened. You have to understand it. But after that, If you just stay stuck in analyzing why you are the way you are, which I did for years because that was all that was really available, you kind of solidify the self of that story.

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Yeah. You stay stuck in the past as your identity, right? It's like you're staying in it rather than integrating the healing and transforming beyond it and creating a new story.

Chapter 6: How do we identify and break free from our source fracture stories?

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Because self is not a solo phenomenon. Self is relational. And so what's happening for most of us is that we're working on our issues, but we keep going back to the past. And what happens where we get stuck is that we get victimized by our own imprinting now.

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right now my father was this way and now this is how I am and I can't get out of it and we get mad at ourselves and we don't know how to figure out to reprogram ourselves and so we keep going backwards to do it I did this for well over a decade until I finally figured out when I was like around 40 and I'd been working on myself since my early 20s it was a long time to be swimming and

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analyzing why I am the way that I am, and then going to school to help other people analyze why they are the way they are. It's the future that actually pulls us forward.

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So understanding the past is a good thing, but staying there is not, is what I'm hearing you say.

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765.481 - 766.222 Katherine Woodward Thomas

That is true.

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It will save your life, but it won't change your life. Interesting. So we can't just bypass the past and just say, oh, I'm not going to think about it, and I'm just going to only focus on the future.

776.272 - 791.387 Lewis Howes

It's almost like we need to heal the memories of the past, make sense and meaning of them, but then say, okay, that is a different chapter of my life, and I'm creating a new chapter with a new vision, and I don't have to be stuck in that belief anymore.

791.789 - 807.006 Katherine Woodward Thomas

But I will tell you, I have a new form of psychotherapy that I've developed, and I have a group of therapists we've been working on this together. You can actually bring a positive possible future into your preliminary work on healing the past.

808.087 - 835.195 Katherine Woodward Thomas

So in other words, it's like, I know you have a big destiny, and I know that your life has been really handicapped by this history that you have with trauma. The commitment is, the context of our work is, within two years, you're gonna be standing on that stage, or you're gonna be in that happy relationship. Let's get to work and clear that now, so that the context is still the future.

Chapter 7: What practical steps can we take to create a positive future?

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Yeah.

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And it's so hard to like, when you feel like you're suffocating because one of these, um, beliefs is just feel so true to you. I'm not enough. People don't listen to me. I'm wrong. I'm whatever it is. If you are, if you're just like, this is true to my core.

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Yeah.

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Your wounds are running your life, not the wise version of yourself. Not like this, you know, 10 year in the future version of you that's had all the experience. It's so hard for, it was so hard for me and it's so hard for I think a lot of people to,

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to breathe and not feel some type of tension in their nervous system or clenching in their throat or pain in their stomach or fear or anxiety around how is someone going to respond to me or react to me if i don't do x y or z yeah it's such a fear if you haven't grown up with the experience of having a safe environment emotionally i guess

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So what's the process from identifying, okay, I know something is off in my life and I feel anxious. Sometimes I feel avoidant. I have these patterns and relationships.

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Once someone is able to identify that and they know they want a greater future, they wanna be able to create something more beautiful in their life, what is the process afterwards to start healing and start leading with their wise self rather than the wounded self?

1176.688 - 1208.282 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Yeah, beautiful question. Okay, so in the seven steps of moving beyond your painful past, where we begin is with a positive possible future. Now, I'm not talking about a goal because goals are kind of like, to me, and this is my definition, so people could argue with me, but to me, a goal is like the best possible situation that you could imagine given who you are and your resources.

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Like what's the best outcome that could possibly be predicted here? When I talk about intention, I'm talking about, let's get right to the gold. Let's get outside of your current identity because the I'm not good enough is not gonna think big enough. And the truth is, is that what's coded in our souls is so much grander. I mean, this is what you're waking up in people. It's why people love you.

Chapter 8: How can we mentor our wounded selves towards healing?

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And they wrote an academic paper on it about positive possible selves. And what they saw, now positive possible selves is like the best case in the Olympic gold medal winner. or the actor standing on stage receiving an Oscar. Or it could be a negative possible self, which many of us have and are trying desperately to believe.

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I want to be dead or go to jail or whatever.

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1342.118 - 1357.78 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Yeah, homeless or whatever it is. But the future that we're living into, what they found is the future that we're living into actually determines our current motivation and actions even more than the past does.

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The future we're living into or dreaming about has more impact than what? Say it again.

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1364.711 - 1380.358 Katherine Woodward Thomas

Than the past. Wow. So here we are doing our work on personal development, looking at the past, the past, the past, the past, the past, as though there's some kind of mystery. Like if I get to the bottom of all of it, then I'll finally be free. But it's actually the future that holds the cake.

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So claim a positive possible future. Even if it just seems like the craziest idea, think about it.

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Especially if it's the craziest idea.

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And claim it. How do we claim it? Is it a way of writing it down, speaking it into existence? Is it thinking about it?

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It's an intention. It's a visioning practice. Like, what does it feel like? You know, we bring the future into the present. We're all starting to get hip to this mental rehearsal of seeing yourself. Obviously, athletes and musicians have been doing this for years. So you bring the future into the present, and it is ace.

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