In this episode, Giordano talks to Vanda Giannara, CEO and Co-Founder of DGTAL, about the transition from experimenting with AI to fundamentally rethinking how organizations work. Vanda shares her journey from law and consulting to entrepreneurship and AI, and explores how agentic AI is changing the way organizations work. The conversation looks at the interplay between humans, data, existing systems and AI agents, and why companies need to rethink processes rather than simply automate them. Giordano and Vanda also discuss the shift from AI experimentation to real transformation, the role of leadership, human values and continuous learning, and what AI means for the future of work and innovation in Europe. Our guest on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vandagiannara/ Our host on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/giordanokoch/ Chapters 00:09 – From curiosity to entrepreneurship: Vanda's unconventional journey 15:37 – Building DGTAL: From failure to agentic AI 23:28 – The choreography of humans, data, systems and AI agents 25:05 – Why Enterprise AI requires a new operating model 37:09 – Stop piloting AI: It's time to start swimming 42:18 – AI leadership, human values and Europe's future

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