The Shifting Privacy Left Podcast

S2E12: 'Building Powerful ML Models with Privacy & Ethics' with Katharine Jarmul (ThoughtWorks)

28 Mar 2023

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This week, I'm joined by Katharine Jarmul, Principal Data Scientist at Thoughtworks & author of the the forthcoming book, "Practical Data Privacy: Enhancing Privacy and Security in Data." Katharine began asking questions similar to those of today's ethical machine learning community as a university student working on her undergrad thesis during the war in Iraq. She focused that research on natural language processing and investigated the statistical differences between embedded & non-embedded reporters. In our conversation, we discuss ethical & secure machine learning approaches, threat modeling against adversarial attacks, the importance of distributed data setups, and what Katharine wants data scientists to know about privacy and ethical ML.Katharine believes that we should never fall victim to a 'techno-solutionist' mindset where we believe that we can solve a deep societal problem simply with tech alone. However, by solving issues around privacy & consent with data collection, we can more easily address the challenges with ethical ML. In fact, ML research is finally beginning to broaden and include the intersections of law, privacy, and ethics. Katharine anticipates that data scientists will embrace PETs that facilitate data sharing in a privacy-preserving way; and, she evangelizes the un-normalization of sending ML data from one company to another. Topics Covered:Katharine's motivation for writing a book on privacy for a data scientist audience and what she hopes readers will learn from itWhat areas must be addressed for ML to be considered ethicalOverlapping AI/ML & Privacy goalsChallenges with sharing data for analyticsThe need for data scientists to embrace PETsHow PETs will likely mature across orgs over the next 2 yearsKatharine's & Debra's favorite PETsThe importance of threat modeling ML models: discussing 'adversarial attacks' like 'model inversion' & 'membership inference' attacksWhy companies that train LLMs must be accountable for the safety of their modelsNew ethical approaches to data sharingWhy scraping data off the Internet to train models is the harder, lazier, unethical way to train ML modelsResources Mentioned:Pre-order the forthcoming book: "Practical Data Privacy"Subscribe to Katharine’s newsletter: Probably PrivateGuest Info:Follow Katharine on LinkedInFollow Katharine on TwitterSend a text Privado.aiPrivacy assurance at the speed of product development. Get instant visibility w/ privacy code scans.Shifting Privacy Left MediaWhere privacy engineers gather, share, & learnBuzzsprout - Launch your podcastDisclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Copyright © 2022 - 2024 Principled LLC. All rights reserved.

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The Shifting Privacy Left Podcast

S2E12: 'Building Powerful ML Models with Privacy & Ethics' with Katharine Jarmul (ThoughtWorks)

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13:00H | 21 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

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12:00H | 20 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

2ª PARTE | 06 ENE 2026 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

3ª PARTE | 22 ENE 2026 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

3ª PARTE | 04 MAR 2026 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

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