In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professional, Marcus Sailler to discuss his experience as the red team information security manager at Capital Group. Marcus shares some great tips on creating a successful security team and how you can prevent it from becoming the "No Police". They also go over the recent changes in the industry, including how big hacks have increased security awareness in the general public. 00:09 – Introduction to the new Security Awareness Series 01:28 – Introduction to Ryan MacDougall Phishing as a Service (PHaaS) Vishing as a Service (VaaS) Social-Engineer.com 02:32 – Introduction to Marcus Sailler 04:20 – How Marcus got into information security 06:08 – Recent changes in the infosec industry- How a big hack increases security awareness 12:09 – How a red team and security awareness team can collaborate to enhance security 14:25 – Introduction to Capital Group 16:17 – Coming up with relevant attacks for a global company 18:08 – How a security team can avoid becoming the "No Police" 21:39 – Why it's better to build a blue team first 22:24 – The importance of attitude and ego for a red teamer 25:04 – How a red team benefits from partnership 26:53 – Emulate the bad guy, but remember to be good 29:18 – Steps corporations should implement now 30:58 – Some of Marcus' most respected industry professionals Chris Hadnagy David McGuire Jason Frank Jeff Dimmock David Kennedy Amanda Berlin Ian Coldwater Rachel Tobac 34:47 – Marcus' book recommendations Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agent's User Manual for Behavior Prediction The 5 Love Languages: The Secret to Love that Lasts 39:18 – Marcus' contact info LinkedIn Twitter 14:38 – Outro Social-Engineer.org Social-Engineer.com The Innocent Lives Foundation SEVillage: The Human Hacking Conference Human Hacking Book Website Human Hacking Book Amazon Clutch Chris on Twitter Social-Engineer on Twitter

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