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Casey Dreyer, Director of Space Policy at the Planetary Society, joined us in our Space Show Zoom room to discuss the proposed 2026 NASA budget. He criticized the budget as unprecedented, “unstrategic,” and damaging—highlighting a historic 25% cut that could cancel numerous missions and projects. Casey stressed that the budget breaks the Artemis consensus, cuts scientific research, and threatens NASA’s workforce. He dismissed the possibility of significant internal savings, arguing that most mission costs are tied to personnel and would require major structural reform. Casey suggested the budget proposal reflected a broader shift in U.S. priorities away from science and questioned the lack of clear space policy leadership from the White House. He attributed the budget's anti-science stance more to Rust Vought of OMB than Elon Musk and noted that NASA was excluded from key budget conversations due to the absence of a confirmed administrator.The group discussed how budget cuts affect commercial space activity and NASA’s ability to support it. Casey emphasized the importance of long-term commitments to programs like Artemis to sustain a commercial space economy. While some companies remain successful, many are shifting focus toward defense contracts due to market and funding uncertainties. Zoom participant Phil proposed reframing NASA’s mission in terms of national competition with China to align with current political priorities. Casey agreed that emphasizing competition with China might be effective but warned against undermining NASA’s nonpartisan image. He noted that while public support exists for NASA’s science missions—such as climate observation and planetary defense—human spaceflight to the Moon or Mars is less popular.Casey also addressed potential solutions, including advocating for a supplemental budget or stronger congressional resistance. Zoom listener John H suggested a continuing resolution (CR) may be the most likely outcome, given Senate voting requirements and ongoing reconciliation bill discussions. Casey explained that while a CR might appear manageable, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) could impose harmful restrictions through aggressive executive interpretation.In discussing congressional prospects, Casey was skeptical about swift action due to a narrow Republican majority and competing legislative priorities. He warned that inaction could have severe consequences and reiterated the importance of public and congressional engagement.The conversation turned to the role of the National Space Council and the implications of JD Vance’s leadership. Casey expressed concerns about the lack of strategic guidance and the administration’s failure to advocate its own space policy vision. He emphasized the need for policy alternatives to reduce reliance on a single contractor—namely SpaceX—and criticized the current vulnerability of programs like the Space Launch System (SLS).When asked about China's potential to reach the Moon first, Casey speculated that it could lead to a symbolic loss for the U.S., though the political response remains uncertain. He stressed that the administration's lack of public advocacy for NASA’s goals is damaging and that human spaceflight's popularity depends heavily on its visibility and perceived success.In closing, Casey described the Planetary Society’s advocacy efforts, highlighting their independent and aggressive campaign against the proposed cuts. He reaffirmed the importance of preserving NASA’s nonpartisan reputation while pushing for restored funding. He also mentioned an upcoming podcast episode on the NASA budget featuring guests from the Commercial Spaceflight Federation (CSF) and the American Geophysical Union (AGU). The group agreed to remain engaged and offer support to help reverse the budget cuts.Listeners and viewers, much more was discussed during the 1 hour 16 minutes with Casey so be sure to either watch all of the video or listen to all of the audio. We were joined in the Zoom room by Space Show Advisory Board members Bill Gowan, John Jossy, John Hunt, A.J. Kothari, and Dr. Phil Swan. Many more questions were asked of Casey including my end of the program for Casey and/or the Planetary Society to create an alternate budget to use in working to move away from the proposed skinny budget. Such an alternate budget by those who know and are familiar with space, science and NASA would also be a terrific and relevant handout to members of congress, staffers and even the president and his office. I hope Casey and his associates follow through on this suggestion. 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