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The Space Show Presents Dr. Avi Loeb, Sunday, 11-23-25.Quick summary:Today’s program focused on the upcoming interview with Professor Avi Loeb regarding 3I Atlas and its interpretation. Dr. Loeb shared detailed insights about interstellar objects, including the discovery of 3i Atlas and its unusual characteristics, while expressing concerns about NASA’s limited presentation of data and the need for more comprehensive scientific investigation.Detailed summary:Professor Avi Loeb joined the program and clarified that he prefers to be addressed as Avi, without any titles. They discussed the controversial topic of 3I Atlas, with Avi explaining its uniqueness and the challenges in interpreting the blurry images released by NASA.Avi criticized NASA’s recent press conference about the 3I/Atlas object, arguing that the blurry images and lack of scientific experts at the recent NASA press event undermined public interest and respect. He highlighted that the data showed an unusual glow in front of the object’s direction of motion, which was not mentioned in the conference. Avi emphasized the importance of humility in science and expressed frustration that the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, which the public cares about, receives no federal funding compared to the prioritized search for microbes.Avi talked about the discovery of 3i Atlas, an interstellar object, and its unusual characteristics. He noted that its mass and size suggest it is much larger than previously discovered interstellar objects, leading to questions about its origin and composition. Avi highlighted an extraordinary coincidence in 3i Atlas’s trajectory, aligning with Jupiter’s Hill radius, which he found statistically significant. He also mentioned observations of jets emanating from the object, which could be indicative of natural processes or technological activity. He expressed a desire for more data on the jets’ speed and composition to determine their nature.Our guest discussed anomalies in interstellar objects, emphasizing that traditional scientists often overlook technological origins in favor of natural explanations. He criticized experts for ignoring evidence of artificial structures and proposed expanding their training datasets to include technological objects. Marshall inquired about the inclination of planetary axes, which Avi attributed to planetesimal collisions and gravitational interactions rather than interstellar objects. They also discussed the possibility of life on rogue planets ejected from their solar systems.Avi explained that interstellar objects the size of a football field enter the solar system approximately once per year, while smaller objects, like the interstellar meteor discovered by Avi and his student Amir Siraj, are more numerous but only visible when they collide with Earth. He noted that the Oort cloud contains a vast number of objects, with one object within Earth’s orbit potentially representing quadrillions more in the cloud. Loeb suggested that NASA’s limited presentation of the 3I Atlas data was due to bureaucratic oversight rather than a hidden agenda, criticizing the lack of a permanent administrator and the decision to hold a press conference without new or exciting information.Our guest continued to talk about the upcoming close approach of the asteroid 3I Atlas to Earth on December 19th, noting that hundreds of telescopes will observe it as part of an international campaign. He emphasized the importance of gathering data to determine the object’s nature, learned from past mistakes with Oumuamua. Avi also mentioned a recent radio observation by the Meerkat Radio Observatory in South Africa that set limits on potential radio transmissions from the object. He expressed hope to update the object’s ranking on his Loeb Scale, which ranges from 0 for natural objects to 10 for technological objects, within a month. John Hunt asked if the object would leave the solar system after its close approach, to which Avi confirmed, noting that the object’s trajectory suggests it is not aimed at Earth. John Jossy inquired about the anomaly of the gas jet pointing towards the sun, which Loeb explained is not unusual for comets, but the lack of a turnaround in the dust trail behind the object is surprising.Dr. Loeb explained the physics behind the anti-tail phenomenon in comets, emphasizing that it is not an optical illusion but a result of the force exerted by sunlight on sub-micron dust particles. He discussed two possible explanations for the unusual behavior of comet 3I Atlas, including the possibility of larger, less affected dust particles and the sublimation of ice fragments. Avi also provided an update on his Galileo project, which aims to detect and analyze interstellar objects, potentially including technological devices from extraterrestrials. The project has built three observatories, including one in Las Vegas, and is using machine learning to identify any objects with characteristics beyond human-made technologies.Our professor discussed the presence of sideways lines in comet images, explaining that they could be caused by communication satellites, which he calculated could cross a typical field of view during an exposure. He noted that while satellite contamination is a concern, it is relatively easy to identify and avoid in comet observations. He also expressed his preference for a natural explanation over a technological one for the comet’s features, though he acknowledged that more data would be needed to confirm his suspicions. He criticized mainstream science for sometimes failing to recognize unusual data that doesn’t fit traditional assumptions, using the example of nickel and iron ratios in a comet’s gas plume.Avi discussed his observations about scientific integrity, noting that scientists may twist facts to fit their preconceived ideas but typically do not intentionally withhold data. He expressed optimism about the upcoming close approach of the interstellar object 3I Atlas on December 19th and encouraged open-mindedness when evaluating the data. Abraham shared his experience of increased public interest in space science, including media appearances and positive responses from parents and children inspired to pursue scientific careers. He concluded by reflecting on the role of humans in art and sports, emphasizing the importance of human connection and critical thinking in the age of AI.Avi was asked about his background. He said he grew up on a farm in Israel with his transition into astrophysics after receiving a postdoctoral fellowship at the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton. He emphasized his approach to science, focusing on the big picture and questioning conventional methods, particularly in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.Note that the program audio will archive at www.thespaceshow.com and doctorspace.substack.com. The Zoom video will be posted on our Substack page with the link in the line above. 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