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The Steve Dangle Podcast

Byerube | May 13, 2026

13 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What major coaching change did the Leafs make recently?

5.971 - 11.628 Steve Dangle

The Steve Dangle Podcast. With your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake.

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Well, well, well, another big news day for actually a lot of teams. It's been a it's been a bonkers week, but we're going to lead Leafs because they fired their coach this morning. Yeah. And that. Hey, listen, if the John Shiker regime has decided we now release information at 10 a.m., I'm thrilled about it. You got my vote all day, all night. Pretty cool.

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As any other era, they would have waited till three o'clock and we would have been boned. Any other one era? I'm sorry, it's an era. It's been a while. Now, they made sure in the press release, guys, to say that, you know, it wasn't Craig's acumen as a coach. It wasn't his character. It was just a different organization. Let me say this. This is how liked Craig Berube is. Sure.

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Because even when they fire him, they're like, man, but we really like this guy. It's like what we've been saying here. Like, I liked Brad. He had to go. I like Craig. He has to go. Now, Jesse, you dealt with Craig on a regular basis. You got to read first. Oh, I got to read. Oh, OK. Well, 60 year old went 86 to the law.

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Craig is a tremendous coach and an even better person, says Maple Leafs general manager John Chayka. The decision more reflects an organizational shift and an opportunity for a fresh start than it is an evaluation of Craig. We are grateful for his leadership, professionalism and commitment to the Maple Leafs organization. And we wish Craig and his family nothing but the best moving forward.

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See, good guy, wrong fit. Jesse, you dealt with Craig every day last season. You liked him, right? On a personal level? Yes. Seems like a likable human, funny guy, that sort of thing. Like everybody universally loved by people in the organization as a person. Everybody, I think, at the end disagreed with his philosophy on how to coach a hockey team.

Chapter 2: What are the implications of the Leafs firing Craig Berube?

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But as a person, very kind.

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114.511 - 135.709 Jesse Blake

Yeah, I like that the Leafs press release ends at nothing but the best going forward. The NHL.com one then goes in the very next sentence. The Maple Leafs, 32-36-14, ended the season 0-6-1 to finish last in the Atlantic Division, 15th in the Eastern Conference, and missed the Stanley Cup playoffs for the first time since 2016-17.

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First to last, baby. First to last. Quite the center. Only us. Only us. We were number one. We were number one in losing points this year. Nobody. Nobody beat us at that. Suck on that, playoff teams. First overall. So let's talk a little bit about, I don't know that we need to talk about Berube's tenure because we spent the entire season talking about it. Steve, you shot a video this morning.

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I did. And now it's going to play into the Edmonton story, which we're going to get to in like 10 minutes. But the organizational shift is the key part of the John Chayka sentence, right? Sure. And we still don't know, because the press conference was so haywire, what the Leafs intend to be.

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176.606 - 183.077 Jesse Blake

There's going to be another one in an hour. A Leafs one? Yeah, Chayka. Oh, is he going to talk? Chayka is talking.

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Oh, okay. This is breaking news. Oh, my God. I didn't even know that. There you go. We might have to pause at some point. Yeah, we may. I look at this and I think, okay, so they don't want to play what they were playing. The Brad style is they wanted to get big and rangy defensemen who are slow and take up a lot of space. Snot. Snot. But they didn't play with snot at all. Low scoring chances.

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And they also didn't do that either. There was a lot of scoring chances. They just kept going one way. How do you think this organization transitions now? Shika said specifically at the press conference. And again, I'm taking the bits and pieces that I can hold on to here. We got to build from the net out. And he said, rebuild the defense. So I'm assuming they're going to get back to speed some.

227.295 - 250.436 Jesse Blake

Well, Chica's got a challenging job, as does every new GM. It's so rare that a GM takes over a situation that doesn't suck. The reason there was a job opening is because stuff sucks. Even when you planned it like Steen and St. Louis, it still sucks. Sucks. It's very rare. It's not every day you're frigging Stan Bowman taking over from Dale Tallon in Chicago.

250.476 - 274.823 Jesse Blake

And you have like a plug and play cup contender. No, a warmed up Ferrari. Yeah. Just humming in the driveway, ready to be driven. Completely ridiculous. God knows how many Hall of Famers. and a bubbling scandal that anyway, but you know, um, uh, it's, he had a bad situation in Arizona and he's got another one here. Right.

Chapter 3: What led to the organizational shift in the Maple Leafs?

432.696 - 437.062 Jesse Blake

However, Bo grew 26. That's how good Bo grew was.

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But he's 26, too.

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438.364 - 452.065 Jesse Blake

Yeah, but he's 26. That's how good he was. He was a Marley's call up the brew. It was like, you're good. Immediately, you're good. And he was so good that Treleving had to be like, all right, we're setting you down. Jesse. That might have been that might have been pretty much.

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Elliott Friedman talked about on 32 thoughts this morning about the fact that Tanev, I think Nylander has been around the organization a lot. He's staying in Toronto this summer. There's a couple other guys who live in Tavares. Nice. Yeah, we know nice is in town. They all have been spoken to and talked to and that sort of thing. And the Leafs have not.

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spoken to Matthews yet, but it's not like a big thing. They just have to line up schedules. Because remember, Shika and Sundin have to fly down there. It's going to blow a day and a half. There's a lot to work through. It's their first week on the job. You can understand why they haven't done it. How much do you think those conversations would have played into this decision? Well, I think...

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They get an idea of how the season went from inside the locker room. Yeah, like that's the only way you're going to know is how he's actually managing the guys who are going out on the ice is by talking to them. And I assume at this point, there's no reason not to be 100% honest in your feelings because.

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this is the time for the change you're gonna get it the the part of the season that stands out now that he's gone is when he tried to fire himself like when john tortorella fired himself oh in december and in december was it december i think it was a little later than that oh maybe it was where he's like i don't know i can't give them heart or head that was later and that was much later in the season he had a few man the other one where he's like go talk to those guys yes that was

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I think that's the one that stands out to me the most. That was that was probably around December ish mark, maybe January. But there was a few times where he was fed up with the guys and they have to be feeling that same thing back to him. Right.

548.514 - 551.979 Jesse Blake

Yeah. It's listen, that it takes two to tango.

Chapter 4: How is the hiring process for the Canucks described?

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To us.

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849.797 - 850.117 Jesse Blake

To us.

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Yeah. And I just, I'm trying to figure out what, you know, like when sometimes you're in life, you think things are going to be fine. And then the sand just moves beneath your feet and you just don't know. I would love to know what he thought. I would love, I don't know if we're ever going to get that. And I don't think he's the type of guy to go, that guy's an idiot. That guy's an idiot.

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F you guys, I'm out of here. I would love to know.

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870.48 - 884.857 Jesse Blake

Yeah, but behind the scenes. Perhaps. He doesn't listen. He thinks he has a good team, and we know that because with a pretty similar team, he won the division the year before, and he also probably thinks he's a good coach.

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It's interesting, though, all the sourcing from the insiders at TSN and Sportsnet and everywhere else, there was that conversation when the season ended where before Brad was even fired or whatever, they were like, well, there's a sense that maybe they didn't get Berube the tools he needed. Mm-hmm. And I thought, yeah, I feel like I agree to an extent. Sure. Absolutely.

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But they didn't know that at the start of the season. Craig didn't know that. Brad didn't know that. Keith didn't know that. Keith said it was go time. We're going to win the cup. There wasn't that. Adam's right in that, like going into the season from Keith Pelley down. It was Stanley Cup aspirations. It was. And everybody in the organization is confused as to how do we stink? Yeah.

929.514 - 938.043 Jesse Blake

But there was an air of Michelli, huh? Okay. Well, hopefully that works out. Do you think Brad believed that?

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What? That he, oh, Michelli maybe. I think the audience and the fans and the people looking at the Leafs thought, like, how are you going to make Michelli into something? But I think Brad sat there and was like, no, I did my job and I built a decent team.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of drafting Gavin McKenna first overall?

3976.737 - 3986.893 Jesse Blake

And then it's going to be Logan Cooley. And then it's going to be Shane Wright. And we were all like, that's insane. What are you talking about? And bing, bang, boom, bang.

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The GMs did a good job. That draft, actually. They sure did.

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3990.619 - 4003.014 Jesse Blake

Looking back. They did. They made the right calls. But the reason I bring that up, I don't remember where he has him. I have to look it up. But he doesn't have McKenna first. Oh, what does he have?

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Chapter 6: What are the potential impacts of Charlie Coyle's new contract?

4003.034 - 4027.634 Jesse Blake

I don't remember. Let's do it. Yeah, so we're going to have to look this up. This is shaping up to be, this is a stressful draft to have the first overall pick. Put it that way. Because a number of guys could go first. And if you ask most of the people who do this for a living, they wouldn't blame you for taking that player first.

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4027.774 - 4035.387 Jesse Blake

But the guy who's been the consensus number one for the longest is Gavin McKenna and the guy the public expects to go first.

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is gavin mckenna so if you have the first pick and you don't pick gavin mckenna you better be correct and there are marketing opportunities and stuff too like scott wheeler's been on some shows saying like remember he was on leaf report yeah he's coming on our show by the way is he yeah i should probably uh okay yeah oh whatever adam's learning this for the first time that's fine i listen we've had wheels on before i love him but uh he he's like hey remember there's like yeah i remember well what i wasn't gonna say anything but uh why can't we call him that

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Oh, wheels. That's better than wheelie. I don't know if it is. You don't think so? What are those shoes with the wheels on them? What are those called? Heelys. Heelys. We should call them that. I don't think you care for that. You don't think so? No.

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Chapter 7: How are the Sabres and Canadiens performing in their playoff series?

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I think you'd go for it. Jess, what do you have there? Okay. So back to Corey Promen. We're going to do this. We're going to do a reveal. Thank you, The Athletic. I know you're supposed to pay for this, but I'm going to show everybody on the screen watching that on YouTube at home and listening on audio. Okay. Number one. Steve, who do you think he has first? I'm going to go Chase Reed. Adam.

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McKenna. Chase Reed, number one. Matt, you got to remember. Wow. I have heard that a lot of like Chase Reed a lot.

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Chapter 8: What strategies are the Ducks using against the Golden Knights?

4107.651 - 4113.837 Jesse Blake

So this is a big right handed. Oh, God, please be a defenseman. He's a defenseman.

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Yeah, he is. And he's a right shooting defenseman. Yes.

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4115.779 - 4120.684 Jesse Blake

From the Sioux Greyhounds. And Dubas sitting there. It should have been me.

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Number two. Steve, who's your guess for number two? Caleb Malhotra. Adam, do you have a guess? Stenberg. Oh, we have a number two. Albert Smith. Wow. Latvian god from the Olympics. Man, I liked Albert Smith. Germany. Oh, Germany. Excuse me.

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4141.515 - 4142.997 Jesse Blake

He's Latvian. He plays in Germany.

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He is out of Germany. Yeah. He was great in the Olympics. Playing for Munich. Shoots left. 6'3", 205. That guy's a monster. Albert Smith. I'm shocked that he's only 205 pounds. Like, seeing him at the Olympics, he's a big boy. Like, he's monstrous. Do you think this is what San Jose needs? Yes. Yes. Oh, 100%.

4164.684 - 4167.387 Jesse Blake

A defenseman of any kind, pretty much. Yeah.

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Okay. They're going lefty defenseman San Jose at two. Toronto went Chase Reed D right-handed at one. Number three is the Vancouver Canucks. Mal Holter. Who do they go with? Mal Holter. According to Corey Promman. It is... Whoa! Eaton Verhoff! From North Dakota. Playing out of North Dakota. Sorry. 63.75. They added that. 63 shoots right D212. Also, they should say where he's from.

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Yeah, they should add that to instead of just the team that they're playing for. Yeah. I think he's Canadian. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look at Smith's, right? That's a Latvian jersey. I think that I think he's Latvian. All right. It's like, yeah, he's the last one. Number four. Who is it? Gavin McKenna. It's got to be Gavin McKenna. Wow.

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