Gina Martin, the trailblazing activist who made upskirting illegal in the UK, joins Paige and Ryder for a reflective and powerful conversation. She shares what it's really like to challenge the system, including the emotional toll and the complex politics of working with institutions you oppose. In a moment of vulnerability, Gina recounts a life-defining "call-in" from a fellow activist that completely shifted her perspective and practice. This episode is a masterclass in accountability, navigating difficult conversations, and understanding that the first step to changing the world is healing and understanding yourself.If this conversation resonated with you, don’t forget to subscribe, leave us a review, and share this episode with your friends. Your support helps us keep creating meaningful, real conversations like this one.Time Stamps00:00 Introduction00:30 What does a Brit find weird about Australia?03:05 Gina's "non-bio intro"05:21 The "How Are You?" Check-in08:11 What gets her through a wobbly day?11:14 A life-defining moment16:30 Finding the truth in calling-in19:39 Separating personal trauma to change the law25:00 What an activist taught her about calling people in28:04 How can people learn to call others in?30:30 What is a "Tomorrow Person"?32:30 An example of a Tomorrow Person36:07 The "everyday" Tomorrow People38:00 Analysing your friendship groups and relationshipsGuest Name: Gina MartinSocial Media: instagram.com/ginamartinResources Loretta J. RossAn academic and activist who popularized the concept of "calling in."lorettajross.comRichie ResedaAn abolitionist, educator, and producer mentioned by Gina as an example of a "Tomorrow Person."instagram.com/richieresedaWhere to find usWebsite: www.tomorrowman.com.au Instagram: @tomorrowman_au @tomorrowwoman_au TikTok: @tomorrowauEmail: [email protected] [email protected] Episode CreditsProduced by: Rolln Media

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