Former Interim President of Israel Avraham Burg Speaks Out on Netanyahu’s Killing Spree
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The government of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel and its many organized cheerleaders here in the United States have for some time now made the case that all criticism of their government is anti-Semitism. And it is because their government somehow speaks for all Jews globally. Every Jewish person is represented by the Netanyahu government.
What is Israel's current military strategy under Netanyahu?
Therefore, the actions of the Netanyahu government represent every Jew on this planet. And any criticisms of that government are by definition an attack on every Jew. They are anti-Semitism. It's a position that doesn't make any sense, but it's kind of hardened into a consensus in the United States, at least for right now. And if you think about it for a moment, it's not only incorrect, it's a kind of slander against Jews. It is itself a kind of anti-Semitism because, no, not all Jews are represented by Benjamin Netanyahu.
What does victory look like for Israel in this conflict?
And there are many who don't want to be. And that's true even within Israel. Yes, polling consistently shows that most Israelis were in favor of the war. But in Israel, as in all countries, most people don't really know the details of what is happening or why. And that's by design. Israel is a particularly censored place. It's also a particularly small place, fewer than 10 million people. And so its citizens, by and large, live the same way we do in an information vacuum where what they know is determined by somebody else for political reasons. All of which makes it very important to do our best to break the spell of this, to hear from people who disagree and hear them explain why. People who have some credibility and knowledge, not just wackos with weird opinions, but thoughtful people who have a dissenting view.
And one of those people is a man called Avram Berg. Berg is in his early 70s. He was born in Israel. He's from a prominent Zionist family, and he himself was a prominent political figure for many years. He was a member of the Knesset. He was speaker of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament. It's a lawmaking body. It's Congress. He was even interim president of Israel at one point. So his opinions may represent the minority of Israeli opinion, but he himself is not a fringe figure. He was at the very center of Israeli politics. Once again, he was the interim president of the country. And in the hours after this current war broke out, he wrote a very strong op-ed in the Israeli press explaining why it was a terrible idea, why it didn't serve Israel's interests, and why the people doing it had no idea why they were doing it.
It's a pretty brave thing to say in the middle of a country at war, but he said it because he's a pretty brave guy, agree or disagree.
What are the implications of the US involvement in the Israel-Palestine conflict?
So we thought it would be worthwhile to hear directly from him. Avram Berg from Israel. Here it is.
How do Israelis perceive the situation in Gaza?
Avram Berg, thank you very much for doing this. I want to ask you about something that's happening right now, apparently. So the president of the United States issued a statement this morning saying that because of ongoing negotiations between the U.S. and Iran, the U.S. would not actually commence with hitting civilian infrastructure, as he promised, and that we're going to try and work something out diplomatically this week. Almost immediately after issuing that statement, there were reports that the Israeli military was hitting civilian infrastructure in Iran. Assuming that's true, what do you make of that? What strategy does that suggest?
The same strategy that Israel has for years. No strategy. In Israel, in many, many cases, the compilation of many tactics sometimes assemble into a de facto strategy.
What is the general view of Israelis towards the United States?
But otherwise, nothing. I mean, just look at the last two hours. When was the announcement of the president, the surprising one, two hours ago? And you have a bundle of messages coming from all directions. The first and the most important one, hallelujah, they're going to renew the flights so we can go – for Passover vacation. That's the immediate reaction of many Israelis, my daughter included. The second is, oh, Netanyahu knew altogether. I mean, Netanyahu is behind the move.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:04–0:31
2
What is Israel's current military strategy under Netanyahu?
0:31–1:07
3
What does victory look like for Israel in this conflict?
1:07–3:08
4
What are the implications of the US involvement in the Israel-Palestine conflict?
3:08–3:16
5
How do Israelis perceive the situation in Gaza?
3:16–4:12
6
What is the general view of Israelis towards the United States?
4:12–4:43
7
How does public opinion in Israel shape the government's actions?
4:43–5:48
8
What role does religious ideology play in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
5:48–1:37:26
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