Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
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Thank you both very much. Oliver, you first.
How close do you think we are to nuclear war right now? That's why I came up here. Yes. Or down here. Yes. Just tell you, I'm scared. I'm really scared.
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Here's the episode. I've been talking about it off and on since 2014 when the Ukraine thing happened. Yes. I was saying this is frightfully like there's a lot of elements of World War I, the alliances, the NATO alliance and the United States' involvement. And its hatred for Russia is astonishing to me, considering the recent history, the last 20 years before that, there was no reason for us to pick on Russia and go back to this Cold War, Neo-Cold War that we have. That's what I don't understand. And I've been talking to Peter about it. It defies logic because he says it's the neocons in Washington that started, and they never left, you know, they were always there. Brzezinski from the Carter days. These are old arguments. I heard them with my father, who was a conservative, relatively conservative, in New York City back in 1950. that the Russians were going to invade us.
And this was very much the feeling that McCarthy was saying they're in the schools, they're in the churches, they're in the... But that's just, it was such paranoia. And I think you know that now. You grew up like conservative too. Yes.
You know, when did you start to go... Well, I am conservative on many things, but I...
see no reason to be at war with russia and i don't know why russia would be an enemy they're part of the west it's shocking to me because what biden did and i voted for him in 2018 he never talked about changing the russia policy yes he never did he never gave us any kind of knowledge of education about what he was thinking but he seems to be uh all-out all-out cold warrior yes everything he's done has been to antagonize him in fact he called he called the president of russia a thug and a murderer before he got elected so he hasn't been very diplomatic no i would say not about it it must be strange for you to to have grown up in the democratic party republican party
Right, but I mean, as an adult, to see the party that was the party of peace and reconciliation become the war party.
Everything has turned around. Everything has turned around. With Peter, we were talking last night, and Peter was my co-author on Untold History of the United States. He taught me a lot of this history because he specializes in it for many years. But here we are with this situation where Democrats want war, they push war, they're pushing the strategy of weakening Russia, which is a self-defeating suicidal strategy. What's the purpose of it? What did they do to us? What did they do? I don't understand. I don't know. What did they do to hurt us? And what has Ukraine to do with that distance for us to do this involvement with NATO? This NATO... Also, for me, as a half-European, my mother is French, I spent time in Europe as a kid. What I've seen is a huge change in Europe. That's what's terrifying to me. Why? The people don't want war, but the EU, which is this political overrider, seems to want war. And because the leadership in the EU is...
very elite people who seem to come from the same school, factory, or whatever they're produced by. They seem to think the same way, that Russia is going to invade Europe again, that we're back to that World War II argument, which was nonsense in the first place. Yes. So here, Russia wants Ukraine, and then they're going to go for Poland. That's what Kamala Harris said at one point. That's the stupidest statement I've ever heard, I think, from a political leader. Just ignorant. No education, no history.
What do you think accounts for, big picture, the hostility of NATO and Europe to Russia? What is that?
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