Tucker and Mike Cernovich on Nicolas Maduro’s Capture, Charlie Kirk’s Murder, and Battling Demons
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What is the debate about the US role in the capture of Nicolás Maduro?
Thank you, Mike, for doing this. So what do you think of the apprehension of Nicholas Maduro?
I I've dealing with a lot of 'cause I spent a lot of time online, but you don't. And I think there's pros and cons to each approach. And the the pro is that you're really plugged in. The con is that if you read the comments, which I do, you really take a lashing every day. Like I just a la cause you can't by by virtue of taking a position, you just get lashed by one side or the other. So now apparently I'm a neocon again. I'm a I'm a neocon, which is bizarre because I was pro the the raid on Maduro. And people say, well therefore you're a neocon in the answer. Well,
you're not a neocon, which is so that's why it's interesting that you were in favor of it. Of
course, but if you're if you're online yeah, yeah, of course. But if you're online, you're whatever the most extreme. That's what they call you. And no, I'm not. I'm not and I'm not an interventionist either, but There's a I feel like we're always stuck between this false dialectic of you either do nothing or boots on the ground, we need full marine battalions to take the beachheads. Whereas I've always been approach I've always been a fan of the Trump approach, which is use Delta. We have these guys do targeted strikes, remind the world that the USA is still a world power, even though we might not feel that way. And exercise our might for for a good purpose. So people say, Well, this is Iraq or Afghanistan again and like well, the people of Venezuela are not the the people have they're not the the same people.
Right.
That's Afghanistan. It's it's a different people. We've had special forces there for three, four decades. We've had business interests there for decades. The people of Venezuela voted out Maduro or tried to and they couldn't get rid of them. So we went in and we got rid of them. So obviously I oppose escalation. and whatever, but the parade of horrors, especially after Silmania, just hasn't happened yet. And that's because I I've talked a lot of um special operations guys during the Trump admin and His the way his approach differed and this was covered a little bit in the media, but not enough, is under Obama They just didn't let the D boys and them run missions. They everything had to get approval and work out the chain.
And by the time it happened, they didn't have their targets. And the Trump approach was we we have these people. They're trained. The the the level of the missions that they can accomplish, which we saw on video, is unbelievable, right? And he lets them he lets them do the missions. They do the targeted strikes. I've I've always been supportive of that.
Yeah. Um I don't know if I mean, I've got a double stacked staccato nine in my bedside drawer. I've never used it. I don't feel the need to use it. But I mean just 'cause like but no, I Well I'll just tell you. What I'm grateful for and I'm grateful for the wisdom of not taking out the entire government, not because I support the government, but because you know, we have clear models in Iraq and Libya and a lot of Syria. Like it can be very hard to put those things back together again and the fact that they appear to be backing Delcy Rodriguez, not because they love her, but because they're in favor of stability over chaos, uh, and her brother. And they're kind of y you know, keeping the structure in place, but
Making sure it's pro American, that seems like a much wiser approach. That makes me calm down a little bit. Right.
Yeah, the the pr the problem that everybody, uh the neoliberal and even some people on the right have is they don't understand that you needed a strong man like Saddam Hussein to keep all these religious sects together. And it's obviously it's obvious in hindsight, right? But at the time people either didn't know, and in my opinion they didn't know. I think that's true. People people were just generally clueless. Like I remember I spent time with my wife in Vietnam. Vietnam and and you'd r you'd roam around all over the place. And remember we did the cr tours of the caves and
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the debate about the US role in the capture of Nicolás Maduro?
0:04–7:12
2
How do the hosts compare the Trump‑era “targeted strikes” approach to traditional neoconservative interventionism?
7:12–50:41
3
Why do the hosts discuss the alleged murder of Charlie Kirk and its political implications?
50:41–1:14:55
4
What is the tension between divine connection and everyday ego in the opening discussion?
1:14:55–1:28:39
5
How does the conversation shift to ayahuasca experiences and encounters with demons?
1:28:39–1:47:26
6
Why does the dialogue move toward personal loss, death meditation, and emotional vulnerability?
1:47:26–2:02:46
7
What conclusions are drawn about chaos, spiritual warfare, and the future of humanity?
2:02:46–2:16:34
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