The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Tony Robbins: How to Build a Relationship that Lasts
14 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is not being disrespectful.
Chapter 2: What is the secret to a long-lasting marriage?
I hope you can feel my state.
Chapter 3: How do miscarriages impact a couple's relationship?
Yeah. You're not a man until you're about 40, just so you know.
Maybe 50.
Chapter 4: What are the differences in parenting then vs. now?
Our daughter has two moms. She has her mom carried her. She's got her mom here that comes from her. She's got me. We have this unique family.
I wanted to be a mother so bad. And then miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage. I surrendered that. And I'd never be who I am without that path.
Today on Unplanned, we sat down with the self-help legend,
Tony Robbins, the billionaire, life coach, motivational speaker, and philanthropist that has been helping people get their lives back on track since the 1980s. And his work has impacted some of the most influential people in the world, names like Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton, and Princess Diana.
Also, his wife of over 20 years, Sage, is joining us for this interview, and we get into all the unique details of their story, like having a baby in their 50s and 60s, why their daughter has two moms, and so much more, all on today's episode. You've been together for over 26 years, correct? Yes. What's your secret? How do you stay married that long? It's amazing.
Love is the answer, brother.
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Chapter 5: How does the concept of seasons relate to relationships?
I know what I have and I'm not about to mess that up. I think part of it is we're devoted to each other, but we also have a mission that we're devoted to. And I think it's important to have something, you know, devotion is different than just love. Devotion is like your needs are my needs, not I'm gonna meet your needs, trying to make you happy or until you're not.
We're both completely devoted to each other and devoted to our family, but we also have a mission to serve as many human beings. And one of the beautiful things when Sage came into my life is I felt like I wasn't the only person that had that sense of caring and drive. And we both bring different qualities together and complement each other.
but every day i think to myself you know how to get so lucky i always say and i really believe i've helped tens of millions of people around the world and this is my reward you know this is my good karma this young lady here and you have a sweet four-year-old daughter together that's that's a very big deal i know that didn't come without challenges though that was a long journey tell us more about that
You're 26? 27.
Chapter 6: What challenges did the couple face during their fertility journey?
27. So we met at 26 years old. Oh, you were 26. Yes, when I was 26 years old. And I miscarried the first time when I was, gosh, 25. And then I never imagined it would be a 20-year journey, but I miscarried time and time and time again.
And she lasted five months, so you can imagine the devastation of that.
Chapter 7: How did surrogacy change their family dynamics?
And I, you know, lo and behold, I found out many, many years later that I have a rare genetic disorder that my body was even attacking a baby, and I didn't know it. And so, you know, this divine orchestration had another plan and its own timing. I never imagined I'd be this stage of my life with a four-year-old, but it's so beautiful.
And it's so, for anybody that's on the journey and that wants to be a parent, it's worth to endure and to trust in God's timing and to know that sometimes what appears or the experience of loss is We just never know what is in store for us. And our daughter was so worth the wait. It's such a joy to be parents.
And also just I'm really passionate as well of having children later in life just because we did it. And it's such a beautiful experience. You have more lived wisdom and understanding. And I think, you know, when I think of a younger version of myself, I'm so grateful that we didn't have her then because I feel like we have more to offer.
Chapter 8: What is the significance of soul recognition in relationships?
I mean, I was pushing around 50. I was married previously, she was as well. But the woman I married previously had children from two different husbands and I adopted them within my life. So I was 24, 25 and had a 17 year old son instantly, an 11 year old, a five year old, then one on the way. And so I felt like I had raised kids already. I've been through all those stages.
And so I was like, honey, if we're gonna do this,
i do this by 50. i don't want to be like 55. i was 61 when we had her yeah 66. and i gotta tell you it's the greatest gift in the world we were actually with a very famous designer when i was like 50 and we had his birthday party um and uh he was 60 i think 60 years old at the time and he was just had a kid and he was going on and on about it and i remember in my mind thinking wow i can't imagine
And yet now that I'm there and we're there together, there's no greater gift because I'm proud of how I was as a father before. But you just have, like Sage said, so much more wisdom, so much more insight. You can live your life so differently to be able to offer to your children at this stage. So I got five grandchildren as well. So it's like my daughter is older than my grandchildren.
So she's the auntie to them all.
That is funny.
It's so weird.
Okay, what is that like? I mean, being a parent then versus being a parent now, because we're in this age of social media where dopamine hits are ruining people's, you know, mental health, and it's really affecting people. So how do you approach parenting now in this day and age?
Well, the biggest difference is having this as my wife. Sage is the most unique human being that I could possibly imagine. We've spent 25 years of your life traveling the earth, helping people make differences in their lives. And there's no one quite as spiritually rooted that I've ever met than her. When we first met, I didn't feel an attraction to her, per se.
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