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This week, we cover the unionization of Vestas technicians in Michigan, and research revealing significant blade damage occurs in short but intense weather events. At the Atlantic Shores offshore farm, an environmental permit was remanded by a judge. Dermot Wind Farm in Texas, also known as the Amazon Wind Farm, is our wind farm of the week. Register for the start of our webinar series with SkySpecs!
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Allen Hall: Before we start the program this week on March 26th.
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Wind o and m. And asset health management, so don't miss it. Tune in on March 26th, 11:00 AM Eastern, and we'll include the webinar registration link in the show notes. Up in Michigan, wind turbine technicians who perform operations and maintenance on Vestas turbines have voted to join the Utility Workers Union of America.
Marks the first Vestas wind technicians in North America to unionize. The 11 member group voted nine to one, so someone abstained obviously in favor of organizing and will become members of the UWUA local 2, 2 3, which also represents winex at DTE in Michigan. Now these workers are responsible for operations and maintenance on about 120 odd turbines, including MCE.
So Joel, this one's a little unique and maybe 'cause it's Michigan unions are really strong in Michigan, have been for a hundred years. 'cause the auto workers, and this seems like an outgrowth of that, but what is the relationship with Vestus in unions? Is that something that they have done in Europe quite often and this is just carrying over into the United States?
Or is this. An American move.
Joel Saxum: I think it's an American move. If you look at the state of Michigan, like you said, auto workers are there. They're heavily unionized. And because they're heavily unionized and that state has looked at them as, they do well. It's in good middle class incomes and, that, that's driven some progress over the last a hundred years in Michigan. My, some of my in-laws are from Michigan and they're boilermakers and they're all unionized. And when they say get that union job, they've got it. They've made it right. So I understand the city or the state of Michigan and some of the ideas around there.
And I think that if you, in wind, if you were to pick a state that would've unionized first. Michigan would be at the top of your list probably. So I don't think it's a Vesta thing necessarily. I think this is a local Michigan thing, but I don't also believe, Vesta is being a Danish company and they have, a lot of trade representation there from in all trades in that northern part of Europe.
I think that's, it's not abnormal to Vestas either. It's probably abnormal to Vestas. United States Management, but Vestas as a company, eh, pretty standard thing. I'm curious to see what their package looks like, because now we're in this era of IRA bill things, right? So we, IRA bills, apprenticeships, and white sheet wages and these kind of things to, to fulfill these needs for all these projects.
So I would. Be interested to see what the package looks like and what they've signed with or as a union to Vestas and to the people that you're working for, to see if it aligns with the IRA bill.
Rosemary Barnes: What can you explain for non-Americans? What does that mean to have unionized in America? Because we have unions in Australia, but my understanding, like it must be incredibly different here than it is there.
'cause like you say, it could be, you can have a union job, like I'm pretty sure in Australia, like you are. There's no such thing as a union job. They can't I think they're explicitly prohibited from discriminating based on whether you are in a union or not. Everyone has a right to join a union, but, what does a union job mean? And Yeah tell those of us who aren't from America. What does this actually mean?
Joel Saxum: It's different depending on the organization, the industry, the area, right? So technically same thing. It's not, it's, it is illegal to technically discriminate against non-union or union, however, they become such a strong presence that when, if you're part of the union and you. Say there's a strike going on, and then you cross that picket line, like you will be ostracized from that group of people, even though it's technically illegal to do they're not sanctioned by the government.
It's all independent organizations, but they have a lot of power, the auto workers unions and stuff, like if they go on strike, they shut down gm, they shut down forward, they can't do anything. So they have a, an insane amount of power. And it, it rolls over into, when I say good union jobs, they have good packages.
In my opinion, I've seen some union packages that are just crazy, right? Like I was working in Chicago and there was guys that were holding shovels clearing, clearing off manholes, and they were making $48 an hour because they were in the union. And the guy next to him that wasn't in the union, that wasn't working for the union company was making like 16.
And doing the same work except for after eight hours he was still working. The other guy put a shovel down one home. So there's a give and take.
Phil Totaro: Yeah. But that's the flip side of this as well, which is okay, there's a benefits package that, that they offer as being part of a union, but there's a price that's paid for all of that.
It's the same sort of thing with, like a government that leans a little more socialist. They're gonna collect a lot more in tax. And then have a lot more programs for everybody that's based on all that money that they've collected. But the reality of it is who do you think pays for that?
At the end of the day, that's gonna be the asset owner and then all of us as electricity rate payers who end up, the power purchase contract price is necessarily gonna be, more than what it might have been otherwise. There's. There's two sides to it. And yeah, you can, you can get unionized labor and their argument with joining the union was, safety training, access to safety training, access to benefits, things they weren't getting either from vestus or independently.
But somebody's gotta pay for it and it's gonna be all of us
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Allen Hall: New research from the Netherlands Organization for Applied Scientific research in collaboration with offshore wind operators reveals that approximately 30% of annual wind turbine blade damage occurs during just 12 hours of harsh weather conditions.
The PROWESS project conducted. Year long, detailed measurements of precipitation in the North Sea, a pretty rough place finding that damage happens when the tip speeds reach about 325 kilometers an hour as wind speeds exceed about 63 kilometers an hour, which is pretty fast and rainfall surpasses about 7.5 millimeters per hour, which is a lot of rain.
Now, these findings have led to the creation of a erosion atlas in the. That could help wind farm operators proactively reduce turbine speeds to prevent damage. Now, I think that's the goal everybody, is that if they know there's certain environmental times when rain erosion is going to occur, then you basically slow the tip speeds down, which will reduce the amount of erosion.
Maybe I'm missing some of this. Rosemary, I know you've heard the same story that you can slow the tip speeds down when the rainfall is really high and the wind speeds are really high. And sure you can reduce the amount of erosion, but it's still a problem.
Rosemary Barnes: And I haven't seen this this atlas, is it just for the North Sea is is it just Europe?
Europe,
Joel Saxum: TTU was working on one to cover all of Europe.
Allen Hall: Yes, they were. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet, but it maybe out.
Rosemary Barnes: One of the things that I've been working on. Recently with a few different clients is leading edge erosion in Australia. And just noting that we don't see things behave the same way that they do in Europe.
And one of the reasons is, or that I suspect actually I don't suspect, I know I've back backed up with data, that we have much higher rainfall intensity and a lot of places and. Australia. Like I just know that from living here. When I lived in Denmark when I moved to Denmark I checked the climate data before moving to see, things like, oh, what's the annual rainfall and how does it compare?
And it wasn't so different to a lot of parts of Australia.