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The Vergecast

Elon Musk had a bad week in court

01 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the overview of Elon Musk's trial against OpenAI?

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Chapter 2: What drama unfolded during jury selection for the trial?

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Chapter 3: What were the implications of Elon Musk's testimony?

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Chapter 4: How did the trial impact the relationship between Microsoft and OpenAI?

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You know, I've been deposed like two or three times in the course of running The Verge. Have you really? I've never even thought about that. There's a very funny transcript of me being deposed. For what? The important one was... There was a game streaming service that Sean had called defunct, and they sued us saying that they were not defunct. Don't put it in the newspaper that we're defunct.

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And it's a long story that ends with the judge in Delaware realized that some obscure law of republication did not have enough precedent, so they allowed the case to go forward so that they could say that us linking to an old story in which we had called defunct the company defunct, did not constitute a republication that would then bring it into the statute of limitations. Oh, wow.

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This took six years. Goodness. It's true that I've been deposed and it's, you know, because lawyers are like, just say you don't remember. So it's just an hour of being like, I don't recall.

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Yeah.

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Which I really, this is, this is where like lawyer Nilay and journalist Nilay run into each other in my favorite way. Like you, you, you love to gossip. You love to share information that you know, you like to be a person who knows things and that you just have to sit there and you're like, I know the correct lawyerly advice is to sit here and say, I can't recall. You just don't remember.

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Whatever happened in the past has escaped your memory. So long ago. Who's to say?

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Who knows?

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That's very good. So we do have a bunch of legal stuff to talk about today. The big news of this week, obviously, is Elon Musk versus OpenAI. We talked about kind of the basics of this trial and the run up to it with Liz Lopato on Tuesday. Go listen to that if you haven't yet. We got some unexpectedly spicy early testimony from Elon Musk. He's been on the stand. He's on the stand as we speak.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of the Steam Controller's customization?

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At no point have I ever sat and been like, they should be the same thing. Like they're just, they're different things. Yeah. I will say in this particular case, I respect the hell out of the Steam controller for knowing exactly what it is and who it's for, which is just endless customization, right? Like this thing is basically not supposed to work out of the box.

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Chapter 6: How do smart glasses fit into the current tech landscape?

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It obviously will, but it is meant to be tinkered with to death. And this is a thing that the whole Steam ecosystem has done really well over the years. Like The Steam Deck does a really good job of being customizable and having lots of different ways you can do things. You can map buttons to different things.

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Chapter 7: What are the challenges with Samsung's upcoming wide foldable phone?

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You can run all kinds of software. This thing is a tinkerer's paradise in a way that I think is really cool. And the Steam Controller seems to have found a way to do that that is actually even more user-friendly than average in a lot of ways. And this thing is, you can see why people are excited about this, right? This is the exact thing you should deliver for this group of people.

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And I think that's really cool. Yeah, Steam knows its audience. You know the thing you were saying earlier about revealed preferences and tech companies getting all confused with their data? Big tech products, the ones that have to move the needle in billions of people, they all treat everyone like they're stupid. Like, you don't know what you want, we know what you want.

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Chapter 8: How is Netflix adapting to the clip economy?

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2% of people don't like this. Those 2% of people happen to be 100 million people. Who cares? That's just how their brains work on the big platforms, the big products. And then products that take their own audiences seriously and let them make choices and customize in user-friendly ways, you can just see there's always love. It's just love. And this is one of those. It's...

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I understand intellectually. I understand why I assume controllers big deal. I will say I am substantially less excited about the idea of being able to ring my controller as Jay was, but, you know, props to you, Jay. But I do think the thing and this is a thing you will appreciate as somebody who I'm sure has had to fight with syncing controllers to game consoles.

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That little puck that just plugs in and snaps on and immediately pairs the controller. Unbelievably good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Fabulous. I have fought Bluetooth settings so many damn times over the years. Because I used to, I had one PS4 controller that I would use on my PS4, but then I would also pair it to my iPad and use it as an iPad controller. And trying to go between those two things.

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What are you doing there? Nightmare. Why are you trying to live that life? Just buy another controller. I don't anymore. I have learned the error of my ways. And mostly I just don't play games on my iPad anymore because it's not worth the hassle. That's the end of that. All right. I have another gadget for you.

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Can I interest you in a leak of Samsung's first smart glasses, thrillingly known as the Samsung Galaxy glasses?

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What are we doing?

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I'm never going to wear glasses that say Samsung on the temple. It is not going to happen. I don't know anybody who's going to do that. It's a really good point. It's zero percent chance of success. I think even the bar for Apple putting a logo on the on the right temple of your face is a super, super high bar. And Apple is much more likely to get there than Samsung ever is.

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I mean, there's a lot of conversation about whether Ray-Ban ruined its brand by partnering with Meta. Like, Meta needed the Ray-Ban brand. No one's putting the Facebook logo on the side of their glasses. And now people see Ray-Bans and they think of creepy glasses. Visong wrote a great piece for us this week. She kind of reviewed all of the smart glasses that are available.

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And she was like, what was right behind all these smart glasses and nothing to do? These products are fundamentally useless. They're just cameras for your face. with a little bit of AI assistant thrown in the mix so that everyone can claim their AI. I don't know, man.

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