In this episode of the Vernon Richard Show, the hosts delve into the nuances of Continuous Delivery and Continuous Deployment, exploring how testing practices evolve in these environments. They discuss the skills required for testers, the importance of risk management, and the cultural shifts necessary for effective quality assurance. The conversation highlights the need for collaboration within teams and the role of testers as facilitators rather than gatekeepers. The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of understanding quality and risk in software development.Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod:01:35 - Quality TalksCheck out their awesome new website02:37 - The Agile Testing Days ConferenceOh! Their Call For Papers is open until the end of March. You should submit!02:42 - Johnny J. JonesJohnny's LinkedIn03:23 - Continuous Delivery & Continuous DeploymentWhat is Continuous Delivery?What is Continuous Deployment?03:31 - Abby BangserAbby's LinkedIn05:24 - Keith KlainKeith's blogKeith's podcastKeith's LinkedIn23:51 - Dan Ashby's famous post called "Continuous Testing" (featuring his famous diagram!)28:45 - James Bach's Test Jumper conceptJames' websiteJames' LinkedIn31:20 - All of these people should probably change their last names to "Bourne"40:18 - James ChristieJames' blogJames' body of work regarding the Post Office Scandal43:37 - Trunk-Based Thierry de PauwThierry's websiteThierry's LinkedIn48:30 - Jerry Weinberg's 2nd Law of Consulting from his book The Secrets of Consulting"No matter how it looks at first, it's always a people problem."Find more of Jerry's quotes on this pageJerry's Wikipedia page (his books are highly recommended)Bonus links to further study on the topic:What's the difference between Continuous Delivery and Continuous Deployment?The book Continuous Delivery, seminal work on the topic by Dave Farley & Jez HumbleSpeaking of Dave Farley...You can visit his website to find links to allTheThingsHere's his excellent YouTube channel Modern Software EngineeringHe's written a second book Modern Software EngineeringSpeaking of Jez Humble...He wrote the excellent book Accelerate with lead author Dr. Nicole Forsgren (<- all of Dr. Nicole's work is recommended reading at this point)And here's his websiteI asked ChatGPT for some resources and it gave me this list (proceed with caution just in case!). 00:00 - Intro01:06 - Merch tangent02:53 - Today's topic:What skills and behaviours does a Tester need, in order to be successful when they work in a CI/CD context?What does testing look like in a team using CI/CD?04:08 - ⚽️ Footy04:40 - Compare and contrast07:00 - What conversation(s) needs to happen before "pressing the button" and who needs to be involved in it?08:25 - Deployed Vs Released13:37 - Monitoring and tooling to enable CI/CD practices17:25 - Where/how do reviews fit into this?20:38 - Back to Shift Left!23:51 - Where does the testing happen?24:36 - The link between chef Gordon Ramsey and software testing25:45 - What are we reeeally talking about here?27:09 - How to reframe things when someone makes the polarising claim "We don't need Testers in CI/CD/DevOps teams"29:35 - Q: So how would I test differently if I were a Tester in a CI/CD team? A: Test like Jason Bourne.32:00 - The value of having a tool belt and using it regularly33:06 - How to catch a unicorn? How to unbundle testing skills35:40 - This all loops back to risks & culture37:03 - Where would it be a bad idea to use Continuous Deployment?40:45 - Q: So how would I test differently if I were a Tester in a CI/CD team? A: Test like a Circus Ringmaster.42:39 - Moar Shift Left: Real Devs build on Main48:48 - Modern Vs Traditional mindsets50:30 - Quality enters the chat...51:00 - The relationship between risk and quality52:47 - Testing Vs Quality Engineering55:50 - ⚽️ Footy

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