In this episode, Richard and Vernon discuss various aspects of job stability in the tech industry post-pandemic, the impact of innovation on job longevity, and the dynamics of accidental management. They explore the changing landscape of tech roles, the importance of ratios between developers and testers in projects, and the evolving nature of go/no-go decisions in software releases. The conversation emphasizes the need for clear metrics and standards to facilitate smoother decision-making processes in tech teams.00:00 - Intro01:07 - Welcome to the Vernon Richard Emily Show01:35 - Our viral moment03:07 - Question: Do you think people are staying in tech jobs longer since the pandemic? The old time in role used to be about 2 years right?17:00 - Income worries and diversification20:20 - Question: I see loads of developers become accidental managers, but i don't think that's as common for testers - what do you think?23:40 - Can Testing specialists become Engineering Managers (and beyond)?26:06 - How does being a Quality Engineer impact your chances?28:25 - Lived experience vs coaching31:08 - We're already doing management and leadership32:19 - What career paths are open to people with a testing background?33:59 - Question: Do you think there is a good target ratio of dev:test professionals in greenfield projects? Brownfield projects etc. If not, what sort of thing do you think that depends on?34:40 - It depends! On the project demands35:20 - It depends! On what kind of people are in the team37:10 - It depends! On testability37:33 - And Rich's answer is...39:19 - Sometimes you can't coach your way out of a situation40:50 - It depends! On what good looks like41:25 - It depends! On where the company is in it's life44:35 - Question: My team release software to customers 1-2 times a week. Who do you think should be in that "go/no go" conversation?46:46 - It depends 🤦🏾‍♂️48:16 - go/no go meetings in 2002 versus 2025Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod:01:35 - Our most viral video to dateIt's the short Sometimes it's best to quit your job05:02 - Gary Stevenson, economist, trader, authorGary's websiteGary's YouTube "Gary's Economics"Gary's book "The Trading Game"13:02 - Graham FreeburnHappy retirement Graham!17:00 - Here's the phrase Vernon butchered and what he was trying to convey28:41 - The definition of coachingThe International Coaching Federation (ICF) define coaching as: "Partnering with clients in a thought-provoking and creative process that inspires them to maximize their personal and professional potential."Here's Vernon explaining it during a presentation at Agile Testing Days37:10 - Resources about the 10 Ps of TestabilityArticle on testability featuring the 10 PsThe book Team Guide to Software Testability by Ash Winter & Rob Meaney

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