The Viall Files
E1045 - Mormon Wives Reunion, Witney Carson & Carson McAllister Talks DWTS, RHOBH Premiere & Southern Charm
09 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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That's ahs.com slash vile files for 20% off. See ahs.com slash contracts for details, including fees, limitations, and exclusions. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my great hair today.
Great hair.
We are back in L.A. It feels good to be here with you guys.
Welcome back. Warm weather.
It's nice and sunny. You know, because we're like, you know, coastal people. Like, we go back and forth.
But it's been freezing at the lake. So when we got here, it was like, oh, my God, 78 degrees. Summer. Nick was like, put on a bikini.
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Chapter 2: How does the conversation about holiday shopping unfold?
I was like, I might.
Well, we have a jam-packed episode and a jam-packed week for you that we are very excited about. Whitney Carson and her husband, Carson, are joining us today. Yeah.
Carson Carson? Carson Callister. Carson Callister. Oh, okay, okay. I see what happened there. But that's kind of cute. She's by her maiden name.
Isn't that kind of great? It's kind of great. Yeah. Anyways, fresh off her mirrorball victory, Carson and Whitney Carson join us to have a fun little chat about how they celebrate the mirrorball victory. You know, I'm always just fascinated. Like, obviously, we're fascinated about couples and how they make it work and all that fun stuff. And we thought it'd be fun to check in with also Carson.
We've had Whitney. We had the pleasure of having Whitney on a few times with her dancing partners over the years. But it's great to just focus on the dancing.
Absolutely.
and the professionals and how are they celebrating in this very exciting time in their lives also this week we have a very special very exciting going deeper Hilaria Baldwin also from Dancing with the Stars the wife of Alec Baldwin also the star of The Baldwins on TLC will be joining us she is a fascinating character misunderstood I feel like
You and her look a lot alike. Twin flames, if you will. Twin flames. Wow.
We are very excited to have Hilaria this Wednesday on a very special Going Deeper. And on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, we have Kate Arthur returns to the show. You know her from Variety. Also, she covers Bravo, all things reality TV for Variety. And she'll be with us on Thursday to talk about Salt Lake City, all things Bravo. We also have Natalie from Vanderpump Rules, the new season.
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Chapter 3: What insights do Whitney and Carson share about their relationship?
Age of Attraction coming out next year, early next year.
You know, you never really know how these things go. But the more we see it, the more we hear about it, the more I think it's going to be a really big hit.
Well, it's also interesting because Netflix just bought Warner Brothers.
They did. We'll see if that goes through because apparently there's like a hostile takeover. Paramount's trying to do a hostile takeover. But if the Netflix purchase of Warner Brothers goes through, what will be interesting is that Netflix will own the Bachelor franchise.
I feel like we're just returning back to OG Netflix, like the first streaming platform that had everything to view everything on.
Maybe. But can you imagine if Netflix actually owns The Bachelor? Because maybe full circle, then we can host.
Then you can. There you go. There you go. But also, maybe we'll get Jess Vestal as a Bachelorette. Oh. I like that one. My biggest issue with it wasn't even the reunion itself. It's just we're so far past everything they've talked about in the reunion. I need these girls on on a big brother cam, you know, like I need to know what's going on with them at all times.
I think it's like just the way it's shot and produced and how fast it's moving to have a reunion like about this season where like I want to know what's going on with Fruity Pebbles. I'm like, just give us the next season. Like, that's how it felt for me because I was like, oh, we bring something up and it's like, you're going to have to tune in until like next season.
And it's like, no, like we just give it to us now because it feels like it's happening in real time. And I know they're continuing to shoot these seasons like back to back.
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Chapter 4: How do Whitney and Carson balance their professional and personal lives?
Do we roll cameras? Season five?
You have Lisa Vanderpump publicly stating on a red carpet that she's seen all the footage from Vanderpump Villa.
Here's the thing on that. Do we trust Lisa Vanderpump to be like, this man did nothing wrong?
Yeah, listen, she doesn't have a great track record when it comes to supporting men.
I will say, well, that's true. I was going to say, let's, we let the court do it because you know what? Even if the cameras weren't rolling, I bet there's security footage and like, yeah, let the court sort it out. And I honestly think it will be good to get to the bottom of it because justice should prevail, whichever, you know, however that looks.
you know I'm just saying it should let the cameras roll yeah and then release the tapes it's wild it's wild I didn't I didn't you just don't think that these things are gonna like go to that magnitude but at the end of the day like he does have a point if he's
completely innocent at the end of the day we're calling him scumbag or whatever because we're seeing one side of the story yeah so like if he feels that he has the right to to clear his name like he should do so and if he has the ability to do it i mean i wouldn't want to be known as a predator if i did absolutely nothing wrong i agree yeah that's where and that's is that bad for me to say no i think that's fair like that's the thing though it's like i just really do want like whatever is the right thing to be known as the right thing you know whichever way that is
I guess we will find out at some point.
Season four, maybe. Or five, six. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it came out that Alex Earle and her boyfriend, Braxton, have broken up officially. Okay. R.I.P. Which I feel like there was a lot of rumor. Like, this was a constant rumor throughout Dancing with the Stars because he wasn't able to go. He was obviously playing football. She wasn't able to go to his stuff. Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do Whitney and Carson face as parents?
Yeah. I think also to shed more light on just how taxing and grueling it is, sometimes we're just Laying in bed at the end of the night and it's like, it's just heads down, you know, it's just heads down. Just kind of like hold my hand and let's just go heads down and like get through it. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah.
How old are your boys, Rhymey?
They're four and two. Is River two?
She turns two February.
Yeah. Okay. Nice. Yeah. So are you guys thinking about more kids or no?
Oh, yeah. We're hoping. We've had a few miscarriages this year, unfortunately. But we're definitely hoping to.
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Chapter 6: How do Whitney and Carson's children react to their success?
And, you know, knock on wood, we'll feel lucky to have the doctors that we have. But And like you, we're very lucky to have the help like with Natalie's mom and my parents and we have some really great childcare. But yeah, we're always just like, even with one, honestly, it feels like a lot on our end and we're only getting busier. So it's always fascinating to hear your story.
Yeah. And I think at this age for them, like they're four and two. So like it's, it's been okay that we've been out of state, but like for them, it's really hard to keep doing this for them too. Like it's a sacrifice for them, like to not go to school and to not be with their friends. And, you know, they're very much isolated in Los Angeles because we don't have a community there really.
And so it, it was a big sacrifice for them. So being home has been like Incredible. Like we haven't seen them in four hours because they've just been playing with their toys and being in their normal habitat.
That's awesome. Tell us more about your app that you guys have going.
Yeah, so we just launched a dance training app, which is really exciting because it's very much a passion of mine. I grew up in an incredible community and environment where I had the best instructors, the best teachers. And I realized in my adult years, like no one, not everyone has that opportunity. So we wanted to make sure like people had dance training that was accessible and affordable and
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Chapter 7: What features does the new dance training app offer?
It's just a really fun way for people to get involved in a community, and I can give back to the dance community that's given me so much. People have been really loving it, and it's been really exciting. My brother and Carson have been really spearheading it, so we're very excited about it.
And I saw, did you bring on Jenna to like do a dance together? Like, or is that kind of, are you mixing a little bit of Dancing with the Stars? And I know you did some stuff with Danny on it.
Yeah, we actually, we actually hired Jenna's niece, Haley. Oh, fun. We hired her to do like some basic tutorials. And then we've also hired Ezra. He's been involved in it and a few other coaches. And we had Danny Amendola do like a skill swap with me, which was really fun. Yeah, we're just trying to like involve all of my friends. And they've been like incredible to like.
participate and people have been really loving it, which is exciting.
And so for the people, like whether you just want to like learn some basic dances or you have a wedding coming up or something like that, or you want to do like a fun TikTok, like is that kind of like the use case for other people who might be interested in using your app?
Exactly. Yeah. Like we've kind of built it so anyone and everyone can use it. So there's things on there. If you're a professional dancer, you'll feel challenged. And also like if you've never danced before, you'll be able to go from the very beginning and learn the basics. There's also workouts on there. So it's very dance friendly.
um dance focused but you definitely get a sweat and working out and those have been really like well received like people have loved those dance workouts and then we've really just tried to make it a space for anyone and everyone to use like accessible in their home so do your boys understand that you won the mirrorball like do they know what that means have you been able to break it down for them
They know what it means, but not the gravity of it. You know, the importance.
It was kind of like, if you hear mommy's name, scream yes.
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Chapter 8: What insights do they share about their experiences on reality TV?
Yeah, they were just playing pretend yesterday about getting a mirror ball trophy. And they were using Leo's little soccer trophy. And they were like, I got the mirror ball trophy. And they were just, like, reenacting it all. So I think that they realized that I won, but they just don't. I mean, because each day it was so hard. Like, Natalie, you probably feel, like, the mom guilt.
Like, and, like, I'm sure Nick, you do as well. But, like, it's really hard to leave, like, every single day. And, like, towards the end, like, the last three weeks, like, I just had, they just were screaming for me to come back home. Yeah.
or to not leave and like that just like broke me like it hurt it was so hard and i just kept being like i'm really trying to win you guys i'm trying to win it i'm almost done and so they just kept hearing that and like obviously i don't want them to put focus on winning now i'm gonna just create monsters
that's good that's good that's good a challenge as a mom and I'm sure you know this there's just like I don't know maybe it's because River's so young and maybe as yeah as River gets older and older I connect we have more and more of a bond but I just see the bond that Natalie and River have and then every day when Natalie has to leave River it's just like
this is a little different than it hits with me that, you know, the, the way river, uh, cries for her mom. And so I had just have a ton of empathy and respect for, for you guys making it work. And yeah, it can't be easy.
So, um, full, full, um, essentially full-time dad when she's gone and, uh, Doing all the work and they couldn't care less if I left, but when mom leaves.
Something about mom.
A serious thought. Something about mom. And I'm in the trenches, but that's all right.
That's okay. We do it right. Does River, this is totally random, but does she still breastfeed or anything or no?
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