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Chapter 1: What are the main themes of the 'Euphoria' series finale?
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Hello, and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at TheRinger.com. And joining me in the studio, guess he has to scrap that Coleman Domingo Roland Thunder remake. It's Ada Greenwald!
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It's the hottest it could possibly be. Greenwald, great to see you today on The Watch podcast. We are going to talk about the conclusion of a little TV series called Euphoria, which ended last night with an hour and 45 minute series finale, as HBO has announced that that was the end.
What a three month journey it's been for some of us.
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Chapter 2: How does Rue's ending reflect on addiction and recovery?
Yeah, and so we're going to talk about Euphoria. We are also going to talk about one of my favorite new shows that I've seen in a long time, Apple TV's Star City, a spinoff of For All Mankind, but something altogether different and cool to talk about. There's a couple of other things, but I think euphoria is definitely the headline. First of all, you can hit us up the watch at Spotify.com.
Instagram is the watch pod underscore. You can watch us on YouTube at the ringer dash TV, along with the prestige TV podcast who went live last night to talk about euphoria. I wonder if Joanna and Rob knew that that was going to be in an hour and 45 minute episode before they, they signed up for that, but they did a great job. And they had some really great takes on the show.
Do you think the Germans have a word for that feeling you get when you turn on an episode of television and see 1 colon 45?
How often do we see 1 colon 45? It's among the longer episodes of TV I can remember.
I have some thoughts on that, yeah.
Yeah, there is. I wonder if there's a German word for that feeling that I had when we had to go live for Talk the Thrones while the Sixers were still playing the Raptors in 2008.
Oh, I didn't have to do that. I did, yeah. Wow, what was the word, do you think? Shite.
That's bad, man. That's bad. Okay, and then we might touch on the end of Hacks and where HBO is at right now. You're taking me on a journey today. I love it. You have anything else for your weekend? No, we can do that for Watch After Dark.
Okay, we want to get right into it.
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Chapter 3: What distinguishes the finale of 'Hacks' from 'Euphoria'?
That was my journey this year.
Chapter 4: What are the major differences between 'Euphoria' and 'Hacks' finales?
Before we get into the specifics of that, I think it's important, if you don't mind, I think we could just go right at the main story here.
Yeah, and for people who are just taking a little dance with us here, this is going to spoil the final episode and thus the season of Euphoria.
And thus the series, which has now been confirmed. Yeah. I thought that the almost, certainly tragic, and the almost undersold death of Rue was artful and deeply upsetting in ways that really highlight the fact that even in my limited engagement with the show, it was very clear that the heartbeat
certainly no pun intended, of the series is Sam Levinson's relationship to addiction and to his particular worldview on the scourge of drug addiction in contemporary American society. And for it ultimately to take the form of this, like,
beautiful, radiant, charismatic, surprising, hilarious, life seeking protagonist for her to go out with not even like what we've come to experience in media, hopefully, although potentially in our actual lives of ODing and coming back and struggling, but just the automatic existence life switch
that is fentanyl was a gut punch, but I also thought that was really, really, I thought it was a powerful use of his medium to communicate what this drug does. And then it built on, and by building on that, it had the almost Landman-esque Ali explanation of what happened and what's happening in America during what appears to be his last... Very much his last AA meeting. We can talk about that.
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Chapter 5: What is 'Star City' and what makes it exciting?
And I have a lot to say about the Coleman Domingo thing.
Chapter 6: How does 'Star City' connect to 'For All Mankind'?
But I really want to hear your thoughts on the extinguishing of a character that has meant a lot to you and to the series.
Chapter 7: What unique perspectives does 'Star City' offer on the space race?
But I found, and we can talk about the artfulness or however you found it to be, of the choose-your-own-adventure morning that we see a fantasy morning That then spins out quite clearly into a last moment's death nightmare.
But I did find that, if you just scoop that out, I found that effective, but also I found that was a moment when, as an audience member, I felt very in tune with what I believed the creator to be intending.
Yeah, I don't think that I necessarily expected it just because... it ultimately I thought, I thought it euphoria was, was, was rounding into being Rue's story. Yes. You know, and I guess it was.
And also I, this is sort of silly, but like I was watching Bill's Instagram over the weekend and, and his daughter Zoe had had a good point on one of his walk-in talks where she was like, well, Rue's the narrator. So how would you, how would you break that, that sort of level of storytelling? Yeah. all of this is being discussed by Rue in some sort of kind of omniscience.
Chapter 8: How do the creators of 'Star City' approach storytelling?
There is a cinematic tradition of posthumous narrators.
Yes, yeah. I mean, she doesn't quite achieve Sunset Boulevard here, but yeah, there is some of that. I was deeply moved by it. I think that
There are other shows that would have broadcast her death much more clearly in so much as there would be a sacrifice that she needed to make, whether it was for Ali, whether it was for one of her friends, for Jules, whether it was to do the last good thing that she could do. And in her fantasy and in her imagination, I think she is doing that.
She's coming through for Fez, who came through for her. I think the fact that the actor who played Fez, Angus Cloud, passed away after a battle with addiction.
But specifically, if I'm not mistaken, what ended his life was fentanyl-laced narcotics.
Yeah, and Sam went on PopCast, the New York Times pop culture music podcast with John and Joe, and talked about... And he has spoken at length about how if he were using today in whatever capacity he once did, in all likelihood he would be dead because there is this silver bullet and bullets out there that take addicts out in this kind of vengeful almost way. Mm-hmm.
I just found myself really going along on that journey, and I thought that the two best actors on the show got an incredible showcase. The Rue and Ollie... relationship was the most meaningful one to me probably of this series.
And in a lot of the ways that Rue kind of fantasizes about what she wants her last day to stand up to, which is being there for Fez, reconnecting with her family, going back home. I think that Ollie's final act, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way... Yeah, I'm eager to talk about it. ...is in and of itself a fantasy.
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