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The Watch

Is ‘Widow’s Bay’ Too Good? Plus ‘Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed’ and ‘Top Chef’

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent media trends are affecting shows like '60 Minutes'?

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I need supports to have to clear the room. Stand up and walk now.

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11.474 - 22.706 Chris Ryan

Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at TheRinger.com and joining me in the studio, he doesn't want a refund. He just wants the person who did this to find out.

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23.407 - 32.157 Andy Greenwald

It's Andy Greenwald! That was a joyful opening for what might be a sad show. I wanted to let you know that I have accepted an offer to run 60 minutes.

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Chapter 2: What insights do 'Backrooms' and 'Obsession' provide about the need for fresh voices in TV?

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Um... I feel qualified to do this based on... You have a little bit of a built-in vibe to you, you know? Wow. In what sense? Just gadfly. Overconfidence. Spectacled. Yeah. Ready to tear down boomer privilege.

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Chapter 3: How does the 'Star City' game explore alternate POV spinoffs?

45.913 - 51.679 Chris Ryan

Moving from industry to industry, just sort of like a, hey guys, let's open the box and then throw the box off the table.

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51.759 - 57.426 Andy Greenwald

Jokes aside, I do believe I was a finalist, but his writing credit on The Idol I think is what pushed him over the top.

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57.406 - 71.155 Chris Ryan

We can talk about 60 Minutes if you want. We can also talk about Widow's Bay, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed, Top Chef. I have a prompt for you that's related to Star City but will not involve people having watched Star City.

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And will not be in its native Russian.

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73.741 - 90.678 Chris Ryan

Yeah, I have a couple of things to say. One, you can email us at thewatchatspotify.com. You can follow us on Instagram at thewatchpod underscore. That's on Instagram. And then you can watch us on YouTube at the ringer-tv channel along with the Prestige TV pod. They're going to be rocking Cape Fear on Friday.

Chapter 4: What are the main themes in the latest episode of 'Widow's Bay'?

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You and I both gritting our teeth trying to decide, are we jumping back in with Max Cady? I don't know. What else, what else, what else? You can also listen to us on Spotify or wherever you get podcasts. Mm-hmm. I told you what we're listening to today. And Star City. We'll probably talk about episodes two and three in detail on Monday.

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111.081 - 122.275 Chris Ryan

So if people are watching, I will repeat to anyone who skipped through our Star City conversation. A, I love it. B, you don't need to have seen For All Mankind to appreciate it.

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123.657 - 130.808 Andy Greenwald

Star City got the rare CR Instagram boost. Did it? You posted on Instagram that you like it.

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130.828 - 141.565 Chris Ryan

Because I don't think in the title it talked about how much I liked it. And Star City is one of these weird shows that people are like, like I was texting with a friend last night.

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Chapter 5: What are the highlights from 'Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed'?

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You should watch Star City. And she was like, an Apple show that no one's heard of? Say less. Which we won't be talking about Apple TV. It's a weird Apple TV moment. They've got a ton of stuff on right now.

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153.425 - 174.885 Andy Greenwald

I mean, this moment is an argument for their, frankly, borderline irresponsible strategy, which is to flood the zone. And they have a number, a disproportionate number of good to very good to, in one case, absolutely great series on the air right now. Yeah. So kudos to Tim Apple.

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175.386 - 188.718 Chris Ryan

I did have a Star City thing for you. Hey, do you, like, actually, really, like, with the 60-minute stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, when's the last time you watched 60 Minutes? Like sat down and watched it.

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189.301 - 190.688 Andy Greenwald

And Andy Rooney retired when?

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192.254 - 197.319 Chris Ryan

I mean, his spirit is with us in the room. Let me just say.

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Blink twice.

199.942 - 203.366 Chris Ryan

Blink twice if Andy Rooney has been doing this podcast with me.

Chapter 6: What key moments stand out in the penultimate episode of 'Top Chef' season 23?

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Conservatively, I would say 1989.

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206.89 - 210.534 Chris Ryan

Are we really sure Sidney Sweeney knows what she's doing?

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Show me the line.

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212.776 - 215.739 Chris Ryan

Why did I Jimny Glick that?

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215.759 - 217.941 Andy Greenwald

When's the last time you saw 60 Minutes?

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Sam Levinson.

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There's opportunity here. Do you want to commit to this?

224.503 - 236.757 Chris Ryan

Yeah, 60 Minutes. Have you watched it? No. I watched it some with my mom over the last couple of years. It was obviously a staple. And I think for most people, it's kind of a... The tick, tick, tick means it's time for school tomorrow.

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Yes, it means football's over.

Chapter 7: How do the hosts compare the narrative styles of different TV shows?

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All those guys are just bronzing statues in D.C.

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now, getting ready for 250. Sean Duffy's making his reality show.

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288.342 - 303.44 Chris Ryan

But it was an incredible piece of journalism that definitely made me look at The roads and trucks differently. So it's disappointing if it winds up going away or turning into something that is a pale shadow of itself.

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303.461 - 306.784 Andy Greenwald

I mean, I just separate and I'm not going to sit here and pretend.

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306.824 - 308.306 Chris Ryan

I don't watch.

308.546 - 328.09 Andy Greenwald

I didn't watch the Stephen Colbert program. I don't watch 60 Minutes. I'm not going to engage with the merits of those programs specifically or the larger conversation about market trends for late night shows and television broadcast news. Yeah. What the joke at the top was more like, I just find this all so borderline despicable.

328.651 - 347.315 Andy Greenwald

The the the ego and the incompetence in a perfect encapsulation of what living in America has felt like for the last 10 years, where people who have it's not about having reverence for the institution like listen. Who are bigger hashtag disruptors than the two of us? That's true. It's about the presumption that you... Watch TV on our phones.

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The presumption that the Barry Weisses of the world and the Nick Biltons of the world know better because they are challenging orthodox groupthink or whatever, that you could be a Vanity Fair editor and a screenwriter, both of which are fine professions, and be like, yeah, I could probably run...

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the most stable and respected news organization in the history of television news internationally probably as well. The ego of that is fucking lame and why we are where we are.

Chapter 8: What are the hosts' final thoughts on the discussed shows?

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Yeah. I mean, I think that my only take on it really is that, uh, This is an example in the media. You could make your arguments about how much it costs to run a late night show versus what it actually brings in in terms of ad revenue versus what it brings in in terms of viewership.

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395.754 - 406.445 Chris Ryan

60 Minutes is a profitable and popular television show that I think is relatively popular across a political spectrum because... It is not the nation. Yeah.

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406.465 - 407.486 Andy Greenwald

It never has been.

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407.647 - 425.695 Chris Ryan

So it's strange that... I think, to me, what I respond to in the stories that I've read about the upheaval at the show is just a disgust on the part of the new leadership with the principles and processes that go into making 60 Minutes.

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425.715 - 426.497 Andy Greenwald

Ugh, principles.

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But it's just the idea that because this may not...

431.305 - 459.861 Chris Ryan

bend around the shape of a narrative that i want out there or that i want to tell i want to do away with certain methods of producing good journalism and it it's just like i think journalism just became too big of a tent sure where it's just like they're they're just i just think that like they're 60 minutes did a really good job telling stories that people didn't know in a very fastidious way and now it's like gonna be yet another bastion of op-ed you can just ask gemini bro look i i

459.841 - 479.622 Andy Greenwald

I just feel like these avaricious climbing bootlickers are behaving like nothing's ever going to swing back. And maybe they're right. Yeah. And joke's on us. But generally, pendulums swing. And then what are we doing? And then what are the ruins that we're left with? So...

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I don't know. Cool.

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