The Watch
‘The Bear’ Drops a Secret Episode! Plus, ‘Widow’s Bay’ E3 and ‘Top Chef’ S23E9.
07 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What trailers were released this week for 'Tony' and 'The Odyssey'?
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Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at TheRinger.com and joining me in the studio like Odysseus in the Odyssey, call him daddy. It's Andy Greenwald.
I thought you were going to say like Odysseus in the Odyssey, he's American.
He speaks in your voice. It's absolutely right.
This is Don DeLillo's The Odyssey.
Greenwald packed show today.
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Chapter 2: What are the highlights of the surprise episode 'Gary' from 'The Bear'?
A couple of things at the top. We're going to talk about the Tony trailer. Tony the movie. The Tony trailer, not the Tonys. Which we could also talk about. We are going to talk about television's surprise drop era, because that's what we're living in earlier this week. Gary, a standalone episode, although with a lot of, I think...
prequel and sequel Connective Tissue to The Bear was released out of nowhere on FX starring Eben Moss-Backrack and Jon Bernthal. We're going to talk about that. Widow's Bay Episode 3 we'll touch on. And of course, some Top Chef and maybe some After Dark. Some notes from the Waxahachie MJ Lunderman show that I went to, which was just a blast. Tune in.
I think we should talk about the elephant in the room, which is based on your behavior last weekend, your behavior last night, You're doing this podcast. You're going straight to LAX. You got to catch a flight. Yeah. People are saying you're re-apexing. I'm trying. I'm trying my best. People are saying it. I'm trying. You only live once.
But you're living twice. This is literally what you're doing.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't want to die and be like, man, I could have gone to that hardcore show.
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Chapter 3: How does 'Gary' connect to the overall narrative of 'The Bear'?
What about you and St. Peter? And St. Peter's like, it's a damn shame you got gored on the security trenchant at that hardcore show. That's right.
Chapter 4: What are the main themes explored in 'Widow's Bay' Episode 3?
Let's talk about Tony.
Chapter 5: What are the key moments from 'Top Chef' Season 23, Episode 9?
How about that?
Okay. An interesting conversation topic for us. Andy, you've interviewed Tony Bourdain, Anthony Bourdain, you have, I think, it's fair to say, have relationships with the wider Anthony Bourdain universe. in terms of people who worked at his production company, worked on his show, who have worked on books about Bourdain.
This is a new film coming this year from Matt Johnson, who directed Blackberry, which I'm a huge fan of, and Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie. He did that too? Yeah. People love this guy. Yeah.
Matt is a really good filmmaker, and it is because of that, and it is because of Dominic Sessa, who I really like as a performer, and Leo Woodall, who I like as a performer, and Antonio Banderas, who looks very activated in this trailer for Tony, and Stavi and Amelia Jones, who's so great in Task, that I am very enthusiastic about this movie, even if the trailer kind of gave Deliver Me From Nowhere vibes.
I see. Well, do you think, was that your takeaway? I think it was just, it didn't, this is about Anthony Bourdain's formative summer in Provincetown as he goes from being a ne'er-do-well, you know.
Purposeless ne'er-do-well to a ne'er-do-well with a career path. Yes.
And some skills. And also a guy who wanted to be a writer who decided that he was going to be a chef and then the chef decided he was going to be a writer and the writer decided he was going to be a television host who gave us so much in this world.
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Chapter 6: How does the surprise drop era impact viewer engagement?
But what did you think of the trailer?
I thought it was refreshing, and I think I feel quite optimistic about the movie because unlike the traditional biopic, or unlike many bloated, I think misguided or ultimately disappointing biopics, what Matt Johnson seems to have done here is carved out a single scoop of a complicated life to make a movie out of it. Which I think is very different than being like, did you like Bob Dylan?
Well, get ready. Or do you like Bruce Springsteen? I do like Bob Dylan and I like that movie. Okay, that's the bad example. Maybe the better example would have been the Springsteen one. Where you attempt to get your arms around something. Or even the Michael Jackson movie, which I don't think either of us have seen. No, but Ethan Hawke did. Did you see that? I did see that. Yeah.
Do you have any, would you like to? It seemed like he saw it from Oklahoma, so I imagine they're shooting. Yeah. Yeah. They're shooting Lowdown season two. Ethan Hawke. He had a night off.
Ethan Hawke and CR make friends in any room. You know what I mean? Like, I think you play to any crowd. Sure. Big rooms, small rooms, doesn't matter. You show up, you put on the show. Um, I think this is a, I think it's a very successful, um, lane for biography, which is let's just take a moment and make a movie out of it. And then if you want to interpolate things past that, fine.
But we are, they are from everything about it, from the promotion, from the framing of it to the fact that Dominic Sessa is, um, has an intensity and an energy. And I think, I think we agree a star charisma, they're not making him look like anyway. And I think that's key.
So I, I think the intentions are made very clear by the trailer, which is also smart marketing that this is going to be a coming of age summer movie. that many people may enjoy. And if you also, if you've read Kitchen Confidential, if you're a fan of Tony Bourdain and his work, there might be something that chimes with you, but that is not the goal here.
I can't remember. How significant is the Provincetown stuff in Kitchen Confidential?
It's very significant. I mean, in his biography, it's very, very significant. And the way that he cooked throughout his life really didn't change that much. I think the two major factors were what he learned from, I don't know if it's a composite character or if it's a one-to-one character that Antonio Banderas has
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Chapter 7: What insights do the hosts share about the legacy of Anthony Bourdain?
No, but this is very, very smart. I think that in the years since his passing, his legacy has gotten, maybe this is true of any major figure, his legacy has become polarized in that there is a wider and wider gulf between the sanctity of the legend. And you see that in like Bourdain knife tattoos on every line cook from Brooklyn to Bangkok.
Plus, you know, the sort of the, the like much of what you see on reels, the people being like, I'm exploring the real Hawker stalls of my small town outside of Leeds or whatever. Um, his quotes are, like, unironically written on the walls of restaurants that he probably would have hated.
But the gulf between that legend and then the very messy reality, which has sort of leeched out in fits and starts and the disparity of the persona that was portrayed in various books, including the one by Tom... Oh, my God, I'm blanking on his name. His colleague who wrote In the Weeds, he came on the podcast to talk about it a few years ago, or Laurie Williver's oral history, like...
It's much messier. Sure. And so that... He was always pretty... He was really upfront about that.
He was upfront about it, but even... Kitchens were like a place for criminals. He was always fairly... It's funny to go back to early episodes of Bourdain TV and him be like... We're the outlaws and we are the drug addicts and the petty thieves and the criminals who can't get employed elsewhere. And we like jobs that get out at 1 a.m. and then we go out and party until the next day.
Like it was a more rock and roll outsider profession back then. At least that's the way it was presented.
But also when people tell you who they are, believe them.
Because I think the other thing that was compelling, and I've certainly talked about this and felt this way, that like to watch his various TV shows in the way that we watch TV otherwise, like as a serialized TV show about the slow evolution and growth of a main character was really meaningful because he did seem to, first of all, he 100% changed.
He also just changed back and changed again and continued to evolve as real people do. But the narrative version of him was that he was sort of You know, becoming more the more he traveled, the less certain he became, the more open minded he became, the more committed he was to making connections with people and on a deep level and using his platform to go to places that others were afraid to go.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the cliffhanger ending in 'Gary'?
So the other thing that's weird to me about this, and maybe this is just Twitter discourse, is like Christopher Nolan is famous for two things. He is an exacting OCD control freak about every decision that makes it onto the screen. And all of those decisions make a billion dollars. So he wasn't like, oh, interesting choice that Tom is making today. Let's see how this goes.
Yes, I think he asked Tom Holland to sound like Matt Damon's son. It better to have Tom Holland do an American accent than have Matt Damon and Anne Hathaway and everybody do a British accent to match Tom Holland.
Do you know what's interesting? Matt Damon, famously a girl dad. So it's kind of an incredible thought exercise to be like, be Matt Damon's son. Odysseus. No, he was not. He was not. It all would have changed if he had been. Who was it? Oh, no.
The idea of Nolan being like, be Matt Damon's son and Tom Holland spending weeks just sipping his non-alcoholic beer brand being like, but he doesn't have one, reminds me of that anecdote that Josh O'Connor put out about working with Spielberg. Yes. Where Spielberg texted him, just undo the latch. And he was just like, You've fixed acting for me? You're a genius, Steven.
And then Steven was like, that was for my handyman. Sorry. Great.
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This is probably unexpectedly going to be the meat of our episode today. The beef. The beef of our episode. You know, so we had heard chirps about something coming. Something Eben Moss-Bacharach, Jon Bernthal related coming. But even in our position of kind of
needing to know about this stuff just to program the show and also, you know, being very curious about the comings and goings of the cast and crew and creative team of The Beef. This was still something of a surprise in terms of what day it came out.
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