Tech founder, defense disruptor, and founder of Anduril Industries Palmer Luckey chats with Mike about the strange haircut on America's military bureaucracy—all business in the front, chaos in the back. Luckey explains how Anduril is trying to bring speed, accountability, and modern technology to national defense, often in spite of layers of red tape. Along the way, they discuss why Palmer got into defense contracting, who was pivotal in the Department of Defense becoming the Department of War, and why he donated to AOC. Shout out to our great sponsors PureTalk.com/Rowe Get talk, text and data for JUST $20 a month! ZipRecruiter.com/Rowe to post a job for FREE. Lineman.edu to find your pathway to the trades K12.com/Rowe Find a tuition-free K12-powered school near you.

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