In this edition of The Way Out, I’m at once extremely humbled and grateful to bring you my interview with person in long term recovery and bonified poet, Melissa DeJesus. Melissa shares her journey to and through recovery to this point with us, a journey in which Melissa endures enough Capitol T Trauma, Adverse Childhood Experiences or ACES, and loss for multiple lifetimes. Carl Jung once said “No Tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless it’s roots reach down to hell” and Gabor Mate is credited with coining the phrase “Ask, not why the addiction, but why the pain” two quotes that are quite apropos for many of us and certainly no more so than with Melissa. Perhaps the most beautiful gifts to come out of Melissa’s recovery are the Capital T Truth both Recovery and Spiritual she’s learned and indeed shares in this very interview, and her poetry, which has taken on new meaning in her Recovery and to that end I am beyond honored to share with you all one of Melissa’s original poems delivered by none other than Melissa DeJesus herself followed immediately by my interview with Melissa in its entirety, so listen up. Melissa’s Poetry: https://www.amazon.com/Poems-Addict-Inside-Melissa-DeJesus-ebook/dp/B0B4FWBD9S?ref_=ast_sto_dp Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations: How it Works and Why: http://www.coastalcarolinaarea.org/literature/books/h_w.pdf Living Clean: https://www.recoveryshop.com/Living-Clean-NA-Book-p/nabk5.htm Best Piece of Recovery Advice - It's OK not to be OK Song that Symbolizes Recovery - Save Me by Jelly Roll: https://youtu.be/FxFNprPOdss Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz (c) 2015 - 2023 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk) licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd

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