Trump’s New World Disorder with Adam Tooze and Ivan Krastev
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What does Trump's interest in Greenland reveal about his worldview?
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Weekly Show podcast. My name is Jon Stewart. I'm the host of the Weekly Show podcast, and we are here during exciting times. It is January 20th. I think this is coming out on the 21st, which is the day that Trump lands in Europe. Reverse Mayflower. He's getting on the probably not boat. I would say nuclear power submarine. and landing at Davos to tell them which parts of Europe he would like. The Whitman sampler of all that Europe has to offer and what he would be putting in his rucksack and taking back to the United States. We're actually talking to two really just fascinating, I think, experts on Europe and the political scene there. And as it relates to America, we go through
myriad of ideas in terms of is there an actual strategy behind the dismantling of uh the atlantic alliances and maybe moving away from this whole uh i don't know what you would call it liberal democracy model which has so so been an albatross around america's neck for so long uh so we're gonna get to adam twos and ivan krastev We're jumping right in today, guys. As I've always promised on this podcast, we are nothing if not reacting to the day's news, even though we only have it once a week. We are here in an astonishing moment in history. We have Ivan Krastev, who is the chairman, Center for Liberal Strategies, located in Bulgaria. Also... by the way, founding board member of the European Council on Foreign Relations, which may come in handy right around now when we're looking to foreignly relate to the EU.
And also our good friend, Adam Tooze, you obviously know his chart book, Substack. And by the way, gentlemen, Welcome. Thank you for having us. I don't want to jump in with the excitement, but my God, Adam, you're in Davos. Yeah. And you just had a panel. Tell us a little bit as we get started on your panel that you held in Davos. And then we can talk about what the breakfast, what the continental breakfast is there, the types of pastries.
The dark secret of Davos is the catering sucks. So it is not the honeypot that you're promised. It is brutal. That is stunning. It is brutal. It is brutal. This is the sensational piece of information in this podcast.
That's going to get pickup, Adam. That's getting pickup. You do not come here for the luxury entertaining.
I would have thought hot and cold running muesli. Am I wrong?
Well, that would be, yeah, and all day long. Yeah, the whole forum is overshadowed by Greenland. Well, just Trump in general. If it hadn't been Greenland, it would have been the Fed. If it hadn't been the Fed, it would have been Venezuela. But because the forum, though it is a global organization, has its heart beating in Europe, this really comes home here. And we're just waiting as a series of buildups for Trump's promised arrival tomorrow afternoon. God knows when. The whole place will be in chaos all day long. But we've had Besson. I had Lutnick. We've had Macron, the Chinese vice premier. Right. We've had von der Leyen.
Am I wrong to think Macron was sporting what appeared to be Tom Cruise aviators while giving a speech?
The gossip is that he was high as a kite, to be absolutely honest, and he came across that way. I mean, he was jolly. It was a disinhibited speech.
As he was speaking, I could actually hear faintly, highway to London.
It was crazy. He made a reference to dick size as whether or not this was going to be like this was driving it.
A Danish MP told the American president in language he thought he might understand, fuck off.
He told him to fuck off. It's wild. So then I had the pleasure, it turned out, of hosting Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, and his embarrassed analogs, Rachel Reeves, who's the UK Treasury Secretary, and Minister Champagne of Canada. Mark Carney was speaking and apparently gave like, he just flamed the Americans while we were on the panel.
Stemwinder, baby.
Stemwinder. And then we had CEO of Bank of America and CEO of Ernest & Young to kind of give us the business perspective. And I mean, I love doing this kind of like high wire chairing.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does Trump's interest in Greenland reveal about his worldview?
0:08–5:30
2
How is the international order being dismantled since World War II?
5:30–11:38
3
What are the implications of Trump's actions on European alliances?
11:38–19:28
4
What role does Europe play in resisting authoritarianism?
19:28–36:12
5
How do Eastern and Western Europeans perceive Trump's policies?
36:12–41:33
6
What does the panel at Davos say about the future of democracy?
41:33–56:21
7
How does Trump's approach to foreign policy differ from traditional methods?
56:21–1:09:07
8
What are the potential consequences of Trump's strategies on global relations?
1:09:07–1:25:40