As the country faces rough times not only with the pandemic but the many demonstrations of protest against police brutality, it's time we had a real discussion on the issues. Host Chuck Garfien is joined by radio host and host of the Under Center podcast Laurence Holmes to discuss the murder of George Floyd, the reactions and solutions. Later, Tim Anderson joins to discuss what he's doing to get involved to help with change. (5:44) - Getting justice for George Floyd (14:06) - How to get police reform (22:00) - What gives us hope (29:25) - Laurence getting emotional on the radio (41:10) - Tim Anderson on the protest in Chicago (49:10) - Trying to remain positive during this time

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