Even the most accomplished executives secretly feel like frauds. MIT Professor Deborah Ancona has spent over a decade studying why and the real cause has nothing to do with confidence. On this episode of The World Class Leaders Show, host Andrea Petrone talks with Deborah Ancona, Distinguished Professor of Management at MIT Sloan and Founder of the MIT Leadership Center about her research on "Family Ghosts in the Executive Suite" and why imposter syndrome persists no matter how much someone has achieved. Deborah explains how childhood roles the pleaser, the perfectionist, the joker quietly resurface in the boardroom, driving burnout and self-doubt long after they've stopped being useful. She walks through the exact process she uses with C-suite leaders to spot these patterns and reframe them without losing what made them successful. Then Andrea and Deborah shift to her X-Teams framework explaining why the best teams look outward before setting goals with real examples from Takeda and Microsoft. In this episode: The real root of imposter syndrome (it's not a confidence problem) What "family ghosts" are, and why high achievers have the strongest ones A 4-step process to recognize and reframe self-sabotaging patterns What X-Teams are, and why "out before in" drives real innovation ⏱ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Why execs secretly feel like frauds 02:26 From MIT theory to real world 04:49 What are "family ghosts"? 06:27 The Perfectionist Ghost 08:12 The People-Pleaser Ghost 12:46 Spot your own ghost in 4 questions 14:52 The exec who couldn't stop joking 15:35 The 3-step reframe method 21:13 The "provisional self" trick 25:27 Sense-making: the #1 leadership skill 31:18 Meet X-Teams: "out before in" 35:00 Why teams become an echo chamber 39:34 Inside a pharma biotech deep-dive 42:16 X-Teams at Microsoft 45:33 When you skip senior buy-in 47:02 Where to find Deborah's work 📘 PRE-ORDER MY NEW BOOK Reinvention at the Top: The Playbook for CEOs to Lead Under Pressure (Wiley) is available for pre-order now. 👉 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reinvention-Top-Playbook-Under-Pressure/dp/1394430426 🚀 JOIN WCL21 WCL21 is a private community for CEOs leading mid-market companies, featuring confidential peer roundtables, masterclasses, and leadership conversations. 👉 https://andreapetrone.com/wcl21 📩 NEWSLETTER Join 183,000+ leaders receiving Andrea Petrone's weekly leadership insights. 👉 https://www.andreapetrone.com/newsletter/ CONNECT WITH ANDREA PETRONE LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreapetrone/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andreapetrone_x CONNECT WITH DEBORAH ANCONA LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahancona123/ Subscribe for weekly conversations with researchers and executives on leadership, teams, and organizational change.

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