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Therapuss with Jake Shane

Session 111: Maddie Ziegler

26 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

12.468 - 13.97 Jake Shane

All right, we have Cassidy with us.

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14.331 - 24.164 Cassidy

Good morning. I'm still not awake. Can anyone hear me? Is this on? Can you make sure my Chrome Hearts song isn't in this?

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24.865 - 34.358 Jake Shane

Is not in this? How would your Chrome Hearts song be in this? In case my legs are open. Cassidy, your legs are closed and you just want them to know that you're wearing a Chrome Hearts song?

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38.472 - 48.002 Jake Shane

What was your favorite part about last night? What'd you do? Oh, Cass kept trying to talk to me last night. And I said, shh, shh, shh. I was trying to go to bed and I said, shh. Do you not remember that?

48.223 - 49.424 Cassidy

Oh, when we were going to sleep.

49.644 - 50.025 Jake Shane

Yes.

50.645 - 59.015 Cassidy

He wanted nothing to do with me. That's how it usually goes. Seems to become a pattern in my life. But therapy has helped.

59.035 - 72.653 Jake Shane

Oh, you're tickling my feet. Okay. Ryan just found a study, or I guess Peyton found a study. Okay. And this was a meme that was actually suggested. She says, Study says sleepovers are good for your well-being. Yes, comma, even for adults.

Chapter 2: What experiences did Cassidy have during the night?

95.602 - 109.958 Cassidy

Peyton is the world's best friend. Yeah, she is. She wakes me up with a banana or what's it called? An iced coffee. Because we have severe attachment issues.

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110.748 - 112.47 Jake Shane

What do you mean by that? Do you want to elaborate?

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112.631 - 127.971 Cassidy

I think it's how we view men in general. It's like we're very attached to people who don't want us because we live for the chase, which is something we both need to work on in therapy. And I have been working on it. But it's like I don't want a man who doesn't. What's funny about this?

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129.173 - 132.958 Jake Shane

What's funny about my trauma? I just didn't think we'd get here.

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132.938 - 161.832 Cassidy

well i'm talking to the hammer shut up i don't want a man who wants me back because i know that like if a nice guy was taking me on a date now i'm sorry i'm rambling but if a nice guy was taking me on a date or like wanting me i wouldn't want him because i know like oh it could go somewhere so in like unintentionally but like my subconscious goes for people who literally don't want me back or like can't get in a relationship because i'm not ready for a relationship

161.812 - 162.293 Jake Shane

And me?

162.333 - 163.035 Cassidy

Yeah, I do.

163.777 - 164.479 Jake Shane

I think so, too.

164.539 - 165.962 Cassidy

I think it's a pattern with us three.

Chapter 3: How does sleep impact mental well-being?

186.127 - 188.63 Cassidy

So, Maddie, if you're hearing this, you're stunning.

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188.79 - 206.953 Jake Shane

Well, she's in the new movie Pretty Lethal. Maddie, I love you. Netflix, I love you. Cassidy, I love you. I love you. Peyton Ryan, I love you. Enjoy the episode, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today or tonight, we have, I don't know, which one is it?

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207.715 - 209.558 Maddie Ziegler

It's tonight. You really turned that on. That was amazing.

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209.698 - 210.038 Jake Shane

Really?

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210.078 - 215.887 Maddie Ziegler

Yeah, that was good.

215.908 - 228.864 Jake Shane

I was like, oh, and we're on. Well, we're on, and it's either tonight, today, or tomorrow, or I don't, okay, whatever. It's one of the days, and we have... The iconic. Yes. Yes. Actress, dancer extraordinaire, Maddie Ziegler.

229.225 - 230.307 Maddie Ziegler

Thank you for having me.

230.327 - 241.228 Jake Shane

And your new movie, Pretty Lethal, is out now. Where did you guys shoot? Did you shoot? Sorry, I just. Where did you shoot?

241.917 - 244.401 Maddie Ziegler

We shot on location in Budapest.

Chapter 4: What was the experience of filming in Budapest like?

556.269 - 556.71 Jake Shane

I remember.

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556.91 - 563.42 Maddie Ziegler

I was a judge on that and I judged her. She was one of the contestants. So we like, It was so weird.

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563.5 - 564.782 Jake Shane

Is that how you guys became friends?

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565.262 - 570.77 Maddie Ziegler

Well, technically we weren't really allowed to be friends because it's like you can't talk to the judge because then I'm like... Oh, really?

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570.89 - 571.972 Jake Shane

They're like strict about that.

572.052 - 584.55 Maddie Ziegler

Yeah. So we had to wait until after we wrapped. And then you... And then we like were friends. And then we just like knew each other. But I feel like when I was around 16, 17, we got close again and started like hanging out in LA. And I love her so much.

584.57 - 586.153 Jake Shane

And she's killing it. She's the best.

586.233 - 587.254 Maddie Ziegler

She's literally the best.

587.374 - 603.591 Jake Shane

We need to hang out. Yeah, it's so funny. Like all these... It's funny, like sometimes I guess you can feel like what's happening in your world is like the biggest thing on planet Earth. But there are all these different communities. Like there's the cheer community. There's the dance community. There's the book community.

Chapter 5: How does creating a home environment impact mental health?

2080.958 - 2094.503 Maddie Ziegler

I think for me, I feel like, It's definitely, I like to create like, the best environment for my home. Like I, you know, like I'm, that's why I love being home. Cause my home is my favorite place in the world. Cause I've made it like my sanctuary.

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2094.904 - 2103.412 Maddie Ziegler

So like not being in your space with all of your things and like just access to the things that matter the most to you, like that does take a toll on you.

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2103.732 - 2116.885 Jake Shane

I don't know what, why my OCD had something to do with it. Because like I said, I wasn't in the right therapy, but I know that my OCD does have something to do with the fact that I have a hard time organizing and keeping things organized. And like,

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Chapter 6: What role does therapy play in managing OCD?

2117.624 - 2124.715 Jake Shane

living out of a suitcase is hard for anyone, but I know specifically for me, there is something that was there and I'm going to ask my new therapist about it.

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2124.813 - 2127.076 Maddie Ziegler

You should. I'm a neat freak.

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2127.156 - 2128.799 Jake Shane

Are you really? I'm so jealous of you.

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2128.979 - 2130.04 Maddie Ziegler

My house is spotless.

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2130.06 - 2130.241 Jake Shane

Jealous.

2130.261 - 2139.494 Maddie Ziegler

Everything is organized. If you ever need help, like I literally offer myself to people to be like, if you need help organizing, like I will come over and do it. It's like my favorite thing to do in the world.

Chapter 7: How do personal experiences shape our views on relationships?

2139.534 - 2148.627 Jake Shane

Be careful what you put out there because I will take you up on it. Oh, great. I'm the least organized person on the planet. Oh, yeah. Because I'm a hoarder. I think everything is so sentimental and I want to save everything.

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2148.826 - 2151.87 Maddie Ziegler

That's how my sister is. She's a hoarder. I get it.

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2152.191 - 2153.092 Jake Shane

My grandma is the same way.

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2153.112 - 2154.334 Maddie Ziegler

And it drives me insane.

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2154.654 - 2155.515 Jake Shane

Yeah.

2155.535 - 2160.462 Maddie Ziegler

But if you're happy and comfortable. Well, then I don't know.

2160.482 - 2163.146 Jake Shane

Yeah, I got to figure it out. Nope. Therapy. And we're starting and we're new.

2163.166 - 2163.647 Maddie Ziegler

We love her.

2164.187 - 2164.668 Jake Shane

I love her.

Chapter 8: What lessons can we learn from heartbreak and unrequited love?

2164.688 - 2167.071 Jake Shane

I forget her name. And by the way, that's a great sign.

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2167.091 - 2170.035 Maddie Ziegler

Well, you still haven't cut things off fully with your other. No, I'm going to send her a text.

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2170.056 - 2174.422 Jake Shane

And I feel comfortable saying like, I needed someone that specialized in like OCD specific stuff.

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2174.442 - 2174.842 Maddie Ziegler

100%.

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2175.343 - 2178.327 Jake Shane

Because it is just...

2178.509 - 2179.771 Maddie Ziegler

It's rough in history.

2180.011 - 2185.48 Jake Shane

It's rough in my head. Are you like a fan of the Inside Out movies? Yes.

2185.5 - 2191.99 Maddie Ziegler

The second movie, it changed my life. I couldn't believe how much I sobbed during that movie. I've never felt so seen in my life.

2192.23 - 2198.88 Jake Shane

All I thought about was like, I'm so jealous that like these kids get to be like, oh my God, that's so normal that I feel that way.

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