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Chapter 1: What inspired Lizzo to start podcasting?
Completely changed. Oh, wow. First it was like radio and a lot of like traditional media. Tradmede is what I like to call it. And you're like sitting in a hotel room and it's like you sitting on the couch and then like they just send a new person in every 10 minutes and they ask the same questions. No shade.
And how many people would you do like a day?
Wow, this is getting really. Yeah. Woo, don't just chime in now. Rewind and get a little bit of context.
Chapter 2: How has Lizzo's press cycle changed over the years?
Oh, yeah, sorry. I just realized how that sounded.
Yeah, I'm sitting on a bed in a hotel room. I always do. I had about like, it would be, I can give you the time. I'd wake up at 6 a.m.
Oh.
I'd start around like after glam, 10 or something. I'd be done at like midnight talking to people. So I don't know how many people that is, but they would, they'd fill me up, honey. I was chock full of people. That's crazy. This is so much cooler. I mean, like once again, no more shade, but. It's just cool because I get to sit in people's environments. I get to talk to real people.
And it's a different vibe every podcast, which is amazing. I love that.
Have you done a podcast that you, like, love?
Yours.
Love you.
Love you. Yeah, they paid me to say that. No, I mean, I love you. This is a great vibe already. I love you too.
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Chapter 3: What does Lizzo think about the power of saying 'yes'?
Approved.
Approved. Approved. But listen, that one approval can change your life. Okay? If you watching at home, always say yes. But have like a year of yes. You know what I mean? A year of yes. Yeah.
And I think that's what, you know, there's something so cool about that because that's what that movie is kind of about as well. You know, it's like about saying yes and doing things. So it's cool that saying like thing. Saying yes.
Saying yes.
Got you that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty cool. Pretty rude. And I don't even know if that's like the heart of the message. It's not like just saying yes, but it's just like, it's the little things. You just never know what can change your life. Right. Like what was the little thing that changed your life? What was the moment where you were like, oh shit.
Getting really high one night and making a funny video.
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Chapter 4: How does Lizzo cope with fame and public perception?
Well, I don't want to say yes because I don't want to, like, disrespect actual people that do improv. But, like, that is what I did.
You took a class. You took an improv class.
You know, I played, like, what was the game you played during improv? Have you played improv? Have you done improv before? What's it like? Zip, zap, zam.
You've played Zip, Zap, Zam, so now you think you can be on SNL? Yeah, essentially. Have you played Zip, Zap, Zam? I've never played Zip, Zap, Zam. Okay, so... My life is Zip, Zap, Zam. Okay, my life is one big improv. I'm like, oh shit, what's gonna happen next? But you know, you joke through it.
You laugh your way through. That is like my number one belief is like laugh through the pain.
Yeah. Like laugh through the pain. That's what my music is though. My music is like the joy through the pain. I'm like, wow, this was actually really shitty. How do I turn this into a silver lining? How do I turn this into a hit? Right. And I do every time. It's therapy.
What song do you remember specifically being in the studio and like feeling so much pain and then – having a moment that created a song that sounded like the complete opposite.
Oh my God. That is so funny. That's a really good question. Cause as an hour, I thought you were going, huh? The complete opposite. Soulmate. Maybe that I'm my own soulmate. I know how to love me. I know that I'm always gonna hold me down. That's on. Cause I love you. Check it out. That song. I was crying in the studio when I wrote it.
I was crying and I wrote that song because it was who I wanted to be. I was like, when I sing this song in a year, this will be me. I will believe these words. But bitch, I did not believe those words when I was writing it. Interesting.
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Chapter 5: What personal experiences influenced Lizzo's new album?
about two years ago it's liberating liberating liberating I used to and I never read like I never like scrolled through my comments because that sounds like hell but also tiktok comments got so mean you know what I really stopped after the fairy backhanded compliments trend do you remember that
Oh, with the little thing that was like, what would it say again?
Oh, cute. I love your, I don't even know. It would be like, that's so cute. Maybe you should stop breathing. And I'm like, wait, what bitch? And so I stopped after that. Cause I was like, they might trick me with a cute emoji and say something evil.
No, they get nasty in there.
Yeah, they do.
There's always a new one. There's so many. What are they saying right now?
Right now, it's like, Jesus loves you. He died for you. He died for your sins. And now they're saying Gaga loves you. She died for your sins. They say that? Yes, they'll change it to whoever their diva is. And I'm like, what is happening?
What is going on in the comment section? I feel like, Stan, that whole culture is so... I have related it to organized religion.
Mm, Stan culture. Yes, I think it's like organized religion. There's the church of- Whoever they worship. Yeah, there's the church of the beehive. Right. It's their own church. Lovely. I mean, listen, I love that.
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Chapter 6: How does Lizzo handle backlash and criticism?
I'm the most desperate person alive.
I attract, you know, people who are negative and suffer that negative energy. Interesting.
How do you feel like cultivating relationships changed pre and post, like, real, real fame?
Baby, it's not even possible anymore to have a, I, like, let me tell you something about me. I am the friendliest bitch. I loved talking to strangers. It was so fun for me. Ever since I was a little kid, my mom said we were at like Disneyland or something and she couldn't find me for like five minutes. It was like, oh, fuck, we lost Melissa. And then she found me because we were all at the pool.
And she said she found me by the hot tub talking to a bunch of adults just being like, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, like I really just love to like write and I love poetry. And I was like a little I was like single digit. And my mom was like, oh, shit. And she was like, I'm so sorry. You know, the kid comes like, I'm so sorry. And they're like, no, she was fine. I love talking to strangers.
And then all of a sudden, once you become famous, you can't really do that anymore. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mostly because like nobody's really a stranger.
Yeah.
people know who you are for the most part. And so it just becomes kind of like a transaction. Like I noticed the first time I really noticed that somebody like,
asked me for a photo on when i was on a plane and i was like i was like yeah after the flight you know yeah i looked crusty dusty musty busty but this was like early days so i was like she ain't gonna follow up on that shit right lo and behold the flight ended and i was like all right got off the plane i felt her chasing me i said she chasing me that's crazy so i was like let me run let me
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Chapter 7: What role does social media play in Lizzo's life?
I was on TikTok since 2019, like doing the renegade, OG, like triple OG. And I think now it's like, But I think the app has changed as well. I think that platform has completely changed. I think comment section is like a stand-up show now. And I'll be getting my life. Other people's comments, now that shit I read. I get other people's comments crying laughing.
Oh, right now my favorite shit is like if there's a video of any cat, a cat doing anything, the top comment is always, his greed sickens me. Have you seen that? No. His greed sickens me. Don't be a cat like eating corn on the cob. His greed.
Or like this is the greed they talk about in the Bible. Yes. Gluttony.
Deuteronomy chapter four. I'm like, bitch, y'all are on one. Like who the fuck is coming up with this shit? Like nobody's beating the TikTok comment section right now.
Oh God. Sometimes opening up when it's not your video, opening up the comments and just like, knowing what you're gonna see. Oh, it's the best.
And then sometimes when it's not there, the top comment will be like, am I a fucked up person?
Because I didn't find the comment I was looking for.
Yo! So anyway, I think just be yourself, man. That was the lesson that I learned. You can't really control it. People are going to say what they want to say about you. People are going to believe things about you that aren't true. People are going to believe things about you that you're like, where the fuck that come from?
And then there's people who are going to believe you and believe who you are. And the only way they're going to do that is if you continue to show the world who you are. There is a brand that sort of begins to You know, you're a person, but then all of a sudden, when you don't belong to yourself anymore and you belong to the public, that becomes a brand. Right.
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Chapter 8: What are Lizzo's thoughts on self-identity and public image?
has projected it onto you got it that projection can be beautiful that projection can look very similar to you that projection can also be very ugly and that projection can be not you at all but it's what they perceive and there's nothing you can do about it so now what and I think that like once I really had that lesson hit and was like whoa I'm really fucking famous, bitch.
This is like, this is not just you got a cute song and people know who you are. This is like.
Everyone knows Lizzo.
Yeah. And for better or for worse. And I think once I mourned that, and it was so ugly. Oh, my God. Really? It was ugly. It was dark. It was very depressing. Like, me mourning a part of myself for, like, the idea that I, you know, can control my narrative or, like, own my narrative. Because I can control it. I just don't own it anymore.
Right, right.
It was, like, cutesy. I was like, oh, yeah, but that... It's fine, though. I'm dealing with it. No, the real deal, once you really go through it, you're like, oh, my God, I'm so depressed. Like, is my life over? Is my life over? I kept thinking that. I was like, damn, my life is over.
Oh, my God.
It was really dark. But I think a part of my life was over. You know, the part of me that I was like, this is really me. You know, you get to be like really you in the world. And then now it's like, no, I don't. Right. You know, I am... whatever they want me to be. Like when Eminem was like, I am whatever you say I am. If I wasn't, then why would you say I am?
I was like, what the fuck is he talking about? But now I get it. Shout out to Eminem. Because I totally get that.
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