Vanilla: Boring or the Best? with Claire Saffitz
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Things Bakers Know: The King Arthur Baking Podcast
43 min
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8 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
You know, I don't want to co-opt this whole episode to talk about vanillin.
But I do think we should brainstorm some different names for it. I'm going to say Felicia.
Let's just call it Felicia. From King Arthur Baking Company, this is Things Bakers Know. I'm Jessica Badalana, King Arthur's staff editor.
And I'm David Tamarkin, editorial director at King Arthur Baking.
And today we're talking about vanilla. Vanilla. You know, it's kind of funny because somewhere along the line, vanilla became a descriptor for, like, a really basic, super boring, kind of ordinary thing or person.
Yeah. But it's actually— Yeah. Not that you've ever used it that way.
No, of course not. It's actually one of the most fascinating—
delicious ingredients in the world and i learned so much researching this that really is kind of mind-blowing yeah today we're going to flip the script on vanilla and after this episode you're going to be using the term vanilla to describe interesting things yeah like quantum physics so vanilla you know like the state of the world is so vanilla oh my gosh
I love it. Yeah, we're just reimagining. So before we get into talking about the flavor of vanilla, I think we need to talk about what vanilla is.
Yes.
How did vanilla become associated with being boring?
You're going to give me a lesson. I can feel it. Yeah.
The dynamic is really starting to evolve. So vanilla is the seed pod of a vanilla orchid. I mean, if you've ever seen a vanilla bean, you're like, yeah, that tracks. It looks like a withered seed pod.
Yeah.
And these orchids are, you know, they're a fair weather plant. They only grow in like a really narrow band around the equator. So, or in, you know, in a greenhouse, right? But really their like home base is, you know, right around the equator, including Madagascar, where half of the world's vanilla is produced, which is kind of crazy because Madagascar, Not a huge place. Tahiti, Mexico, Uganda. There's a very small amount of vanilla produced in Hawaii, in Ecuador. But it's a, you know, like wine or cheese, where the vanilla is grown has an impact on sort of its flavor. It has terroir. It has terroir. Yes, exactly. What did I say? Terroir? Terroir.
I just get so nervous.
I know, but I love how you keep shooting for the fences. You keep putting these foreign words in and trying your best.
I can say them when I'm not on camera.
Yeah, sure.
Which, by the way, we're on YouTube and Spotify now. Watch us. Watch me mispronounce these words.
I just am imagining you in your bathroom mirror every morning like, terroir, biscotti. I can do it. I can do it.
Okay.
But it's also, as we talked about, very labor-intensive to grow vanilla. This isn't just a set-it-and-forget-it kind of plant. You need the right weather, so it's a crop that's very susceptible to a warming climate, which is a thing that's happening now.
Vanilla orchids are hermaphroditic. Which means that they have both male and female reproductive organs. However, for whatever reason, the vanilla flower is self-sterile. So all of the vanilla orchids in the world have to be hand-pollinated. I mean, this is crazy. Somebody has to go in and pollinate them. This is crazy to think about.
I don't know exactly how it's done. That would be interesting to, like, drill down more on how things are hand-pollinated. But, you know, you start to see, like, okay, here we have this plant that only grows in a really narrow band in the world that will not... you know, propagate unless a human intervenes. And that discovery was actually made in the, you know, 1840s. So there was an enslaved, I was going to say man, but really a child, a 12-year-old, Edmund Albius, and he worked on a plantation on the island of Réunion.
What are the origins and production process of vanilla?
But he learned that, you know, they brought these vines to Réunion Island, which is in the Indian Ocean, and they were like, hey, Nothing's happening. Like these vines aren't, you know, like they're not propagating. And so he realized that they all had to be hand pollinated. I doubt they gave him a lot of credit for that discovery. But that's the only way that vanilla has been able to flourish in places around the world because he discovered that they all have to be hand pollinated.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–1:19
2
How did vanilla become associated with being boring?
1:19–4:01
3
What are the origins and production process of vanilla?
4:01–7:44
4
How do different types of vanilla compare?
7:44–10:09
5
What are the challenges in growing vanilla?
10:09–14:24
6
How can vanilla enhance various recipes?
14:24–28:09
7
What are some common baking questions about vanilla?
28:09–41:12
8
What recipes are the hosts baking this week?
41:12–43:41
Speakers
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