Vanilla: Boring or the Best? with Claire Saffitz

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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

Jessica Badalana 0:00
You know, I don't want to co-opt this whole episode to talk about vanillin.
David Tamarkin 0:03
But I do think we should brainstorm some different names for it. I'm going to say Felicia.
Jessica Badalana 0:08
Let's just call it Felicia. From King Arthur Baking Company, this is Things Bakers Know. I'm Jessica Badalana, King Arthur's staff editor.
David Tamarkin 0:16
And I'm David Tamarkin, editorial director at King Arthur Baking.
Jessica Badalana 0:20
And today we're talking about vanilla. Vanilla. You know, it's kind of funny because somewhere along the line, vanilla became a descriptor for, like, a really basic, super boring, kind of ordinary thing or person.
David Tamarkin 0:37
Yeah. But it's actually— Yeah. Not that you've ever used it that way.
Jessica Badalana 0:42
No, of course not. It's actually one of the most fascinating—
David Tamarkin 0:46
delicious ingredients in the world and i learned so much researching this that really is kind of mind-blowing yeah today we're going to flip the script on vanilla and after this episode you're going to be using the term vanilla to describe interesting things yeah like quantum physics so vanilla you know like the state of the world is so vanilla oh my gosh
Jessica Badalana 1:07
I love it. Yeah, we're just reimagining. So before we get into talking about the flavor of vanilla, I think we need to talk about what vanilla is.
David Tamarkin 1:18
Yes.

How did vanilla become associated with being boring?

David Tamarkin 1:19
You're going to give me a lesson. I can feel it. Yeah.
Jessica Badalana 1:23
The dynamic is really starting to evolve. So vanilla is the seed pod of a vanilla orchid. I mean, if you've ever seen a vanilla bean, you're like, yeah, that tracks. It looks like a withered seed pod.
Yeah.
Jessica Badalana 1:36
And these orchids are, you know, they're a fair weather plant. They only grow in like a really narrow band around the equator. So, or in, you know, in a greenhouse, right? But really their like home base is, you know, right around the equator, including Madagascar, where half of the world's vanilla is produced, which is kind of crazy because Madagascar, Not a huge place. Tahiti, Mexico, Uganda. There's a very small amount of vanilla produced in Hawaii, in Ecuador. But it's a, you know, like wine or cheese, where the vanilla is grown has an impact on sort of its flavor. It has terroir. It has terroir. Yes, exactly. What did I say? Terroir? Terroir.
Unknown 2:26
I just get so nervous.
Jessica Badalana 2:28
I know, but I love how you keep shooting for the fences. You keep putting these foreign words in and trying your best.
David Tamarkin 2:34
I can say them when I'm not on camera.
Jessica Badalana 2:36
Yeah, sure.
David Tamarkin 2:37
Which, by the way, we're on YouTube and Spotify now. Watch us. Watch me mispronounce these words.
Jessica Badalana 2:42
I just am imagining you in your bathroom mirror every morning like, terroir, biscotti. I can do it. I can do it.
Okay.
Jessica Badalana 2:50
But it's also, as we talked about, very labor-intensive to grow vanilla. This isn't just a set-it-and-forget-it kind of plant. You need the right weather, so it's a crop that's very susceptible to a warming climate, which is a thing that's happening now.
David Tamarkin 3:09
Vanilla orchids are hermaphroditic. Which means that they have both male and female reproductive organs. However, for whatever reason, the vanilla flower is self-sterile. So all of the vanilla orchids in the world have to be hand-pollinated. I mean, this is crazy. Somebody has to go in and pollinate them. This is crazy to think about.
Jessica Badalana 3:27
I don't know exactly how it's done. That would be interesting to, like, drill down more on how things are hand-pollinated. But, you know, you start to see, like, okay, here we have this plant that only grows in a really narrow band in the world that will not... you know, propagate unless a human intervenes. And that discovery was actually made in the, you know, 1840s. So there was an enslaved, I was going to say man, but really a child, a 12-year-old, Edmund Albius, and he worked on a plantation on the island of Réunion.

What are the origins and production process of vanilla?

Jessica Badalana 4:01
But he learned that, you know, they brought these vines to Réunion Island, which is in the Indian Ocean, and they were like, hey, Nothing's happening. Like these vines aren't, you know, like they're not propagating. And so he realized that they all had to be hand pollinated. I doubt they gave him a lot of credit for that discovery. But that's the only way that vanilla has been able to flourish in places around the world because he discovered that they all have to be hand pollinated.

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