What Airbags Teach Us About Artificial Intelligence | The Professor Is In
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What is the central AI safety question posed at the start of the episode?
And now you can see why I'm sometimes unpopular on campus.
Are you? I don't know. I'm not there when I'm not there. I'm Augusta. I'm a producer here at Platypus Economics.
I'm Justin Wolfers. I'm a professor of economics. And this is The Professor Is In. What are you thinking about?
AI safety fears are ramping up right now and they're in the news. Justin, you talked this week about what economics has to tell us about the trade-offs with AI safety. If we should be investing more in guardrails, how much we might want to invest, how we even assess a question like that, and then the ethical side of those calculations. So today I'm going to go through and bring you some questions about that that our audience had. One of the big examples that you gave was airbags, right? We spent a bunch of money in the United States on airbags to keep people safer. What was pointed out was that airbags, you can drive a car the same with or without airbags. I guess the question is, how can we implement AI safety regulation that doesn't make it harder for us to harness these technologies?
Should that be part of the trade-off?
I'm going to do what professors do and reject the premise of the question. And then it's your job to hold me honest. You said you can drive a car just as well with or without airbags. I want to say that's not true. If what you have is $30,000 to buy a car, you now have to pay for airbags, which means you're getting $29,500 worth of car. So a car without airbags would be one with more horsepower, more efficiency, leather seats, something else. So no, an equal priced car with airbags doesn't drive as well as an equal priced car with airbags. An AI that's safe, that has AI airbags, that's what we'll call them, You're right, doesn't work as well as an AI with no safety built in.
How does the airbags analogy illustrate the trade‑off between AI performance and safety?
But I think there's a very, very clear analogy. What's different, of course, is the stakes, which is if you drive without airbags, there's a low chance of death. If you drive with them, there's a somewhat lower chance of death. If we use AI without precautions, there's some chance of an existential blow up and human extinction at the extreme. But it could just be someone brings down the grid. And if you drive AI with airbags, safety features, that terrible, terrible outcome becomes somewhat less likely or less bad. So no, I think it's the same trade-off at a different scale.
With that in mind, I don't know how much economics can address this, maybe a lot, but also maybe just you as a person thinking about this. How can we make a collective decision about how much to spend on AI? This isn't a government versus government question. We talked about nuclear weapons and the development of nuclear energy. So it's not like diplomats are going to come together and sign treaties. It seems like this is way more in the marketplace. So how do we think about a collective decision here?
I disagree. I think that once you understand this is possibly involving an existential threat the way nuclear weapons did, then you move it from the private sector to diplomacy. I think nations got together and great leaders talked about nuclear weapons, not because they wanted to or because they were a different good than AI, but because the risks were so great. And I want to suggest to you if we have a different tool with equally large risks or similarly large risks, They're the same type of diplomacy he's called for. You're right that it all operates in the market right now. But what if nuclear weapons, instead of being developed by the US government, had originally been developed by, let's say, by the Shell Corporation?
Could have happened, right? They're an energy company. Would we have said, oh, it was developed in the private sector, just let it there. I'm glad those blokes have a few nukes. And we'd let them produce as many nukes as they wanted and sell to whoever the heck they wanted. And they'd send catalogs around the world saying, here's our price list for atomic bombs. How many do you want to order?
Why might collective diplomatic action be needed for AI guardrails, similar to nuclear‑arms treaties?
I don't think we would have done it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the central AI safety question posed at the start of the episode?
0:00–1:43
2
How does the airbags analogy illustrate the trade‑off between AI performance and safety?
1:43–3:46
3
Why might collective diplomatic action be needed for AI guardrails, similar to nuclear‑arms treaties?
3:46–5:42
4
What are the economic stakes of AI‑driven growth versus the existential‑risk stakes?
5:42–8:06
5
How should society decide how much to invest in AI safety versus rapid development?
8:06–10:13
6
What ethical framework should guide the distribution of AI‑generated prosperity?
10:13–11:25
7
Why does the market equilibrium not automatically guarantee a fair AI future?
11:25–13:03
8
What final takeaways do the hosts leave listeners with about AI safety and policy?
13:03–14:28
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