605: Kid Logic
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What is the story behind kids believing in the Tooth Fairy?
Rebecca remembers exactly when she learned the astonishing truth. She was in second grade and ran into her best friend Rachel at school one day.
And she pulled me aside and said, you know, last night I lost a tooth and I woke up while the tooth fairy was putting the money under my pillow. And guess who the tooth fairy was? She said, oh my God, who was it? I have to know. And she said, my dad. My dad is the tooth fairy. And I remember running home after school and telling my mom, Mom, I know who the Tooth Fairy is. And declaring it as if I had grown up, that I knew who the Tooth Fairy was. And she said, oh, well, who is the Tooth Fairy? And I turned to her and I said, Rachel's dad is the Tooth Fairy. Ronnie Loberfeld is the Tooth Fairy. And she said, I can't believe you know. It's totally a secret.
How do children arrive at incorrect conclusions despite logical reasoning?
You can't let anyone else know. But you're right. Ronnie is the Tooth Fairy. And, you know, he works really hard. And, you know, it's a secret. So you can't let anyone else know. He is the Tooth Fairy, but you can't let anyone else know. And from that day on, Ronnie Loeberfeld was the Tooth Fairy. And all of my notes under my pillow were signed, Love, Ronnie Loeberfeld.
Now, in his day job, what did Ronnie Loeberfeld do?
I think he did something in finance. He was either an accountant or a stockbroker. He worked next to a stop and shop in Massachusetts in Newton. Had dark hair. Wore a suit.
What insights does Michael Chabon provide about kid logic in his story?
And I definitely had images of his driving his Volvo around the Boston area and delivering the Tooth Fairy Treats.
I remember wondering what it was like for Rachel to know that her dad was the tooth fairy and definitely being a little envious that her dad had this special job and this special power and that he had this whole other interesting life where my dad just came home from work and that was it.
So when you would actually run into Ronnie Loeberfeld, what was it like for you? How would you act?
I tried to act cool. It's like if you're starstruck but you don't want them to know that you're starstruck.
So it's like meeting a celebrity.
Exactly. You downplay it. You try not to mention it, but you definitely check them out twice and, you know, look at them when they walk away. You're like, oh, my God, you're the tooth fairy.
But you knew enough to play it cool.
I knew enough to play it cool. I said, hey, how you doing? You know, what's for dinner?
What are the humorous misconceptions kids have about love?
How am I getting home tonight? Are my parents going to pick me up if they called?
You did play it cool. One interesting question in all this, why did both girls come to what seems like the least likely conclusion from the evidence in front of them of a parent swapping money for a tooth under a pillow? Well, Alison Gopnik studies how children think. And she says, of course, it's logical for a seven-year-old to conclude that her own dad might be the tooth fairy.
Children understand that their parents, for instance, are powerful in all sorts of ways that make them very different from children. Now, from a child's point of view, knowing where those powers begin and end is pretty tricky. I mean, think about all the things that your parents can do that you can't do. And think about the fact that there isn't any obvious explanation about why your father can use a Visa card, for instance, which is something that you can't do. The power to be a tooth fairy isn't all that much more impressive.
There's a certain kind of story that kids tell, like the Ronnie Oberfeld story, where they look at something going on around them, observe it carefully, think about it logically, how one thing connects to the next thing to the next, and then come to conclusions that are completely incorrect. Therapist Aileen Goldman in Texas tells this story about a little girl on an airplane.
And she was about four years old. And her very first flight, and as the plane was airborne, she turned to the woman next to her and said, when do we get smaller?
How do mistaken beliefs about reality persist into adulthood?
That had been her experience at airports watching airplanes take off. They do get smaller.
These stories are like jokes, and they're also like poems.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the story behind kids believing in the Tooth Fairy?
0:01–1:01
2
How do children arrive at incorrect conclusions despite logical reasoning?
1:01–1:41
3
What insights does Michael Chabon provide about kid logic in his story?
1:41–2:41
4
What are the humorous misconceptions kids have about love?
2:41–4:16
5
How do mistaken beliefs about reality persist into adulthood?
4:16–4:59
6
What lessons can we learn from children's misunderstandings of complex concepts?
4:59–6:05
7
How do children's logical deductions lead to entertaining stories?
6:05–7:25
8
What surprising realizations do adults have about their childhood beliefs?
7:25–1:01:01