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The World Cup was supposed to bring world peace

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.398 - 22.486 Randa Abdel-Fattah

Every episode of It's Been a Minute, NPR's What's Happening in Culture podcast starts by asking three questions. Who? How? Why now? If the culture's asking it, we're talking about it. At NPR, we stand for your right to be curious and indulge your cultural curiosity. Follow It's Been a Minute wherever you get your podcasts, and we'll break down the zeitgeisty topics that are filling your feed.

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It's been a minute.

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In 1930, an ocean liner called the Conte Verde set sail from Genoa. The final destination, Montevideo, Uruguay. Three soccer teams are aboard the ship, one from Romania, another from Belgium, and the third from France, along with some referees. For nearly two weeks, they journey across the sea in close quarters, everyone sort of sizing each other up.

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Because when they make landfall in Uruguay, they'll be competing against each other in the first ever World Cup. The French start training really early in the morning so they don't disturb the other passengers. So running around the deck, running up and down stairs, doing pull-ups on pipes.

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And then the Romanians see them doing this and think, hang on, maybe we should be doing some of that as well. but they also have a lot of free time. And sometimes they just hang out. They have dance contests. It was like a holiday camp. We were young men having fun. And there's one man on the ship watching it all with deep satisfaction.

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This very dapper man with silver hair, very careful mustache. He's not a player, not a ref. He's the guy who came up with this whole idea for a World Cup. And in his suitcase is a statue 30 centimeters high, weighing four kilograms. The new World Cup trophy. His name? Jules Rimet. And for him, there's a lot more than just soccer riding on this inaugural tournament. The main thing is peace.

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We need peace. Soccer can bring peace. He had big dreams for the World Cup, believing it could bring together countries from around the world, people who might otherwise have nothing in common, at least for a little while.

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Look at this!

Chapter 2: What were the origins of the World Cup and its initial intentions?

157.068 - 157.849 Jonathan Wilson

Magisterial pass! Oh my God, an impact!

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Nearly 100 years after that ship set sail to Uruguay, here we are getting ready for the 23rd World Cup. The U.S., Mexico, and Canada are hosting. And I'm just a bridge away from New Jersey where some of those games, including the final, will be held. Very exciting. But I'll be honest, I'm also just thinking about the logistics of it all.

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Will I still be able to make it out to Jersey every week to see my mom? How's the traffic going to be? Will there be crazy fans everywhere? Okay, you didn't click on this episode to hear about my traffic anxiety, but I stand by it. I also thought about getting tickets to a game, but the prices are wild. We're talking as high as $45,000. So yeah, not in the budget.

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The International Federation of Association Football, a.k.a. FIFA, the organization that founded and oversees the World Cup, has projected a record-breaking $13 billion in revenue for the four-year cycle leading up to this summer's tournament.

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235.015 - 240.525 Jonathan Wilson

The United States military continues to carry out large-scale combat operations in Iran.

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And on top of this being a super expensive World Cup, it's also happening while one of the host countries is waging a war against one country and is openly hostile to others. President Trump's immigration policies, including travel bans, have created concerns.

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The issue is that four countries in those lists are expected to play in the FIFA World Cup and play matches here in the US. I'm talking about Iran and Haiti, who are under the full travel ban, and Cote d'Ivoire and Senegal, who are under the partial ban.

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Meanwhile, Russia is prohibited from participating due to the ongoing war in Ukraine. Who gets to host? Who gets to attend? How much do money and politics matter? That's all in the background of this World Cup. And, well, a lot of recent World Cups. 2022 was in Qatar, 2018 in Russia. That got us wondering, did Jules Rimet's dream ever pan out? How did that first World Cup go?

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And when did things start to get messy? The main thing is peace. Soccer can bring peace. I'm Randam Dil Fattah.

Chapter 3: How did World War I influence the founding of the World Cup?

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This episode was mixed by Robert Rodriguez. Music for this episode was composed by Ramtin and his band, Drop Electric, which includes... Navid Marvi. Sho Fujiwara. And finally, if you have an idea or liked something you heard on the show, please write us at throughline at npr.org. And if you're open to us giving you a call back, leave your number too.

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3229.602 - 3236.151 Randa Abdel-Fattah

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