Will AI destroy us... or save us?

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What is the relationship between AI and human existence?

Unknown 0:00
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Unknown 0:31
Open the pod bay doors, Hal. I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. This conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
It's alive!
George Zarkadakis 0:55
It's alive! It's alive! Most of us, when we hear the term AI, we think about Hollywood.
Unknown 1:00
Why do you cry?
George Zarkadakis 1:02
You mean people?
Yeah.
George Zarkadakis 1:05
I don't know. We just cry. We think about the Terminator. We think about Ex Machina.
Unknown 1:10
Would you program her to flirt with me? If I did, would that be cheating? Wouldn't it?
Meredith Broussard 1:15
We think about Star Trek.
Unknown 1:18
Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
George Zarkadakis 1:20
Or maybe Star Wars. Hollywood is so deeply embedded in our brains.
Christopher from Los Angeles, California 1:30
I'll be back.
George Zarkadakis 1:35
What does AI actually mean? You know, really mean? AI is not a magic wand, but it's not a terminator. The system learns by accessing data. AI is not a harbinger of utopia or dystopia. And it changes its configuration in order to be able to predict stuff. AI is something invented by us to advance our progress. It's really complicated, beautiful math, but it is fundamentally just math. AI is deeply entangled with our desire to be in control both of ourselves and the world around us, to control human behavior, to control the future, to control environmental outcomes, to control institutions and societies. AI is already here. It's in your phones. Siri or Google or Alexa. Your cars. Google Maps uses a very smart algorithm.
George Zarkadakis 2:33
Your homes.
Unknown 2:34
The home security system uses artificial intelligence to keep your family safe. Your skies. From drones to unmanned aircrafts and beyond. Your hospitals. Interpreting x-rays.
George Zarkadakis 2:45
Your love lives. The dating apps. Your virtual lives. Social media companies spy on us. Your governments. What it means for the future of our democracy. So we are, in fact, totally immersed in an AI world. The challenge is not to act automatically.
Unknown 3:03
It's to find an action that is not automatic, from painting to breathing to talking to falling in love.
George Zarkadakis 3:20
Are you capable of falling in love?
AI language model (OpenAI) 3:23
I don't have feelings or emotions like love, and I don't have a subjective experience. I exist solely to assist with generating text. I am an AI language model developed by OpenAI. I can answer questions, provide information, and engage in conversations on a variety of topics.
George Zarkadakis 3:44
How may I assist you today?

How do our perceptions of AI reflect our fears and hopes?

George Zarkadakis 3:46
AI has become an invisible architecture upon which modern life is being built. It's wrapped up in our jobs, our government, our wars, our art. Sometimes without us even realizing it.
Unknown 4:00
Right now, we're inside a computer program. Is it really so hard to believe? You've been living in a dream world, Neo.
George Zarkadakis 4:10
There's something powerful about the story The Matrix and countless other sci-fi books and movies tell. The AI becomes sentient, surpasses human intelligence, and lays claim to our world. Sure, it's a terrifying thing to imagine. And yet, we're fascinated by these stories. Exploring that feeling, the tension between our love of AI and our fear of it, is what this episode is really about. In a sense, decoding the humans behind the machines. As an animal, we're a very weak creature. The only thing that we have is our social structure and our collective and individual minds. And those minds compel us to extend our capabilities. And that is, I think, in many ways why, you know, people sort of imagined gods being just like them, only more powerful.
George Zarkadakis 5:02
This is George Tsarkadakis. I have a PhD in AI and I'm actively working in the field over many years. He also wrote a book all about the history of artificial intelligence from ancient times to present day called In Our Own Image, Will AI Save Us or Destroy Us? At the heart of this history are a few key questions. Why do we want to create artificial intelligence? What would it mean for a machine to become intelligent? And how would that change our lives? Most of the questions I don't think we'll be able to answer at this particular point in history.

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