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Today, Explained

Can you sue ICE?

23 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the current state of resistance against ICE in Chicago?

0.807 - 4.475 Noel King

In Chicago, residents have been resisting ICE.

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4.495 - 13.433 Pastor David Black

You're going to use that gun on your people. Shame on you. I hope right now your ancestors are looking at you. Back up, back up, back up.

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13.75 - 27.512 Noel King

The epicenter of the resistance is a village called Broadview, where there's a big processing center. People are also being detained there. No one knows entirely what's going on inside, although there are a few stories.

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Chapter 2: How are protesters responding to ICE's tactics?

27.852 - 46.986 Pastor Quincy Worthington

So there are very limited facilities for hygiene. There's no food preparation there. We hear that they get one meal a day. They're basically 250 men packed into a single room with no air. So we hear complaints that it's really a hellish place to be.

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47.547 - 57.426 Noel King

Coming up on Today Explained, as Chicago fights ICE in the streets and in front of places like Broadview, a question is emerging. Is it better to fight ICE in the courts?

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This is Today Explained. I'm Noelle King. You've seen this viral photo of David Black, the pastor in Chicago. It was taken a split second after ICE maced him. He's like angling his body away from three men in masks and camo. It looks like something out of the 60s. Anyway, David Black is part of a group of faith leaders who have been protesting ICE.

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And he put us in touch with Pastor Quincy Worthington of Highland Park Presbyterian, who talked to us about what's been happening and how he ended up protesting at Broadview.

Chapter 3: What legal challenges are emerging against ICE?

177.32 - 192.782 Pastor Quincy Worthington

At the beginning of September, I went to a Faith Over Fear rally and press conference in Daly Plaza that was about Operation Midway Blitz ramping up and about a faithful response to that. And David was there and he spoke.

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192.982 - 204.458 Pastor David Black

Donald Trump thinks he has a hammer in his hand. And he thinks he can bring that hammer to Chicago. But he's about to find out that Chicago is an anvil.

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204.725 - 221.23 Pastor Quincy Worthington

Through conversation of asking him what was going on and what he was doing, he told me about Broadview and the things that were going on there. And he said that it would be really great to have more clergy presence there because we provide a sense of calm and can help deescalate things sometimes if it needs to be deescalated.

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Chapter 4: Is it more effective to fight ICE in the courts or on the streets?

221.991 - 242.318 Pastor Quincy Worthington

And so I told him I would be happy to join him at those and went that Friday. And then that night when the picture was taken, He and I had actually just arrived there together, and I was checking in with people at a supply table, finding out who the medics are because they'd been releasing chemical munitions on us before.

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242.399 - 257.817 Pastor Quincy Worthington

And one of the things I've been trying to help do is get protesters safely away from the chemical munitions and to get them medical treatment if they need it, helping flush out eyes. And while I was connecting there, David went up front, as he usually does,

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257.797 - 280.227 Pastor Quincy Worthington

to pray to plead to the humanity of the officers and he had finished doing that and was turning around to walk away and the agent on the roof shot him in the top of the head with a pepper ball

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God is watching you!

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And you will pay for this! Were you surprised that this happened?

295.715 - 324.49 Pastor Quincy Worthington

Oh. I think by that time, no. I mean, I guess... You're surprised every time it happens. I wasn't shocked. ICE has been escalating their response to protesters every time we've gone. So I think I was a little taken back in the moment that it was just a random pot shot that they took at him. But it wasn't entirely surprising that that's how they responded.

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When did things start to escalate between the protesters outside of Broadview and law enforcement? And what did it look like when it did?

334.256 - 341.869 Pastor Quincy Worthington

When I started going in September, what we would notice is an escalation both throughout the day and then every week that we would go.

341.909 - 344.453 Pastor David Black

Together we will survive.

Chapter 5: What happened during the protest involving Pastor David Black?

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You're listening to Today Explained. Vox's Ian Millhiser covers the Supreme Court. Ian, Americans, regardless of party, are worried about what ICE has been doing, which raises a big question that we've come to you to ask. Can lawsuits stop them?

973.111 - 997.988 Ian Millhiser

Right. I mean, the short answer to that is probably not. And that is somewhat by design. So there used to be several legal mechanisms that could be used to deal with police abuse or, you know, overreaching federal agencies. But the Supreme Court has been chipping away or even taking away the most effective means to do so.

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