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Is Greenland free?

22 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What did President Trump say about Greenland at Davos?

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President Trump spoke for about 90 minutes at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland yesterday. Everyone was on edge waiting to see what he'd say about Greenland after days of making threats about Greenland. He sort of got there.

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13.935 - 25.848 Donald Trump

I'm helping NATO, and until the last few days when I told them about Iceland, they loved me. They called me daddy. I mean, our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland.

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Chapter 2: Why did Trump refrain from threatening tariffs at the World Economic Forum?

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So Iceland's already cost us a lot of money.

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Back to Greenland. Now, the big surprise was that at Davos, Trump made no threats. He didn't threaten tariffs. He didn't threaten troops or force.

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He just said, again, All the United States is asking for is a place called Greenland.

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Then later in the day, he made noise on Truth Social about a framework that was sort of giving concepts of a plan. What brought Trump back from the brink? That's coming up on Today Explained.

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Chapter 3: What was the reaction to Trump's statements on Greenland?

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David Rennie, geopolitics editor at The Economist. All right. So you were watching as Donald Trump spoke at Davos yesterday. You know that he'd said he would levy tariffs on eight European countries if they opposed his bid for Greenland. But then yesterday he didn't mention the tariffs.

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152.176 - 165.655 David Rennie

Not only did he not mention tariffs hours later, you know, when people came out of that speech saying, OK, optimistic view is he didn't mention tariffs, no use of force. Pessimistic view where, you know, we're still potentially facing anything up to invasion.

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And then he goes and meets the secretary general of NATO, Mark Rutter, a man who has sacrificed his own reputation by kind of calling him daddy and constantly praising him.

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Daddy has to sometimes use strong language. Yeah, he is strong.

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But I think he, I think genuinely Mark Rutte, who's a very, very smart, experienced former Dutch prime minister, I think he thinks he's taking one for the team and he's doing his best to keep Donald Trump on side. And they do this provisional deal that then Trump is calling a concept of a deal, whatever that means, that does appear to stop a long way short of owning Greenland. And...

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So if you are the Europeans and you are optimists, and that's not a lot of optimists in European capitals right now, you would say that, I don't know if people are saying this is a taco, you know, was Trump chickening out, but certainly it was not irrelevant. People suspect that the markets fell sharply the day before.

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That tends to get Trump's billionaire finance friends on the phone saying, you know, this is not great. And the very first flickers of, I don't know if it's twitching of the corpse, I'm referring to the willingness of the U.S. Congress to stand up to the president.

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There's no emergency with Greenland. That's ridiculous. There's no threat in Greenland. To invade Greenland.

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would be weapons-grade stupid. So I guess for Europeans, the lesson is that provoking Donald Trump head-on seems to be a pretty bad idea, certainly very risky. But raising the costs and making him realize that there is going to be resistance to his latest piece of bullying can sometimes work. And so there is a certain degree of confidence that the worst has been avoided for now. But the big...

Chapter 4: How did European leaders respond to Trump's Greenland proposal?

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He's a professor of international affairs at Johns Hopkins. And in the hours before Trump pulled back on his threats, Professor Farrell wrote an op-ed for The New York Times called Europe Has a Bazooka, Time to Use It. It's about deterrence strategy. Professor Farrell, let's start this way.

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It's been roughly 80 years since the last World War, which means we've been doing something right, all of us. How do big powers deter attacks from other big powers? So I think that you really want to start with the nuclear age and the nuclear era.

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And you even want to start with the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was a moment when the United States and the USSR scared the hell out of each other because it was very, very close to a situation in which we would have actually had a nuclear war and possibly the extinction of humanity.

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So missiles are 1,500 miles range and more. We're pointing at American cities.

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We will not prematurely or unnecessarily risk the course of worldwide nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth.

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So after that, we began to see the development of a set of concepts, a set of ideas, which really tried to figure out how can you work through the situation of nuclear crisis, the risk of nuclear Armageddon, the fact that the United States and the USSR have fundamentally different political interests, and how can you actually get to a place of stability.

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First of all, I think you want to avoid a nuclear Armageddon by treating the fact that these weapons actually exist as incredibly important, nuclear weapons that is, but at the same time trying to avoid using them.

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So in a certain sense, what you're doing is you're bargaining and you're debating in the shadow of this possibility of Armageddon and the shadow of the possibility of using these kinds of weapons.

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So you begin to get the development of all of these ideas by people such as Thomas Schelling, who won a Nobel Prize for economics, he's a game theorist, who begins to work out how do you deter, how do you, in a sense, use the fact that you have nuclear weapons as something that people will pay attention to without ever actually having to use them.

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