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Pop culture is conservative now

12 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What cultural shifts have occurred in pop culture recently?

0.031 - 11.629 Noel King

President Trump said many wild things this year, but one of the wildest was on Pod Force One, where he talked about this multi-day aptitude test he took at the age of like 11 or 12.

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They said, your son is brilliant at music. He'd be an incredible musician.

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Alas.

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This is not what my father wanted to hear.

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Right out of college, Trump tried producing Broadway shows, and he has taste. You can argue about whether it's good taste, but Trump loves music and movies and architecture, LOL. And he's been using his time in office to shape popular culture. The culture was already moving right. It was embracing the trads and the chads.

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And so in the waning days of 2025, we're looking at how the counterculture, long the province of lefties and hippies, moved swiftly and sharply right. And we're going to ask if it'll ever move back. That's coming up on Today Explained.

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Chapter 2: How has President Trump's influence shaped popular culture?

149.982 - 157.02 Max Tani

My name is Max Tani. I'm the media editor at Semaphore, and I'm the co-host of our media podcast, Mixed Signals.

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So we have Warner Brothers, we have Netflix, we have Paramount. Walk us through what exactly happened here.

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So Netflix announced that it was acquiring Warner Brothers.

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Netflix has inked a deal with Warner Brothers Discovery. Netflix is about to buy Warner Brothers, and it's actually a huge deal for the Lord of the Rings community. Let me explain. I hate this. I don't want fewer studios. I want more studios.

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This goes back to earlier this summer when the Ellison family finalized its purchase of Paramount. As soon as the merger was completed, they moved and turned their attention to Warner Bros.

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Warner Bros. rejected not one, but two bids from Paramount. Paramount made three bids to buy the company over the past couple of weeks. It has now made six different offers for Warner Bros. Discovery. It's been rejected each time.

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So they made this attempt to kind of to quickly combine with Warner Brothers with the idea that then they could be a true competitor in streaming with Netflix. Netflix, on the other hand, realized, saw that this was coming and also saw an opportunity

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to get its hands on one of the major Hollywood entertainment companies in the Warner Brothers studios, which has produced some of the most iconic series and franchises and movies in the world. You know, Casablanca. It is looking at you, kid. They have the rights to the DC Cinematic Universe, which is Batman. Why so serious? As well as a lot of prestige television in HBO, in The Sopranos.

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All this from a slice of gabagool? In White Lotus.

Chapter 3: What role do major media companies play in cultural conservatism?

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Hi, my name is Rocky Balboa, the Italian style. Jon Voight. Do not tell me it can't be done. Mel Gibson.

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They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

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He's definitely proven that he is interested in this kind of testosterone-fueled version of the world. Now, that doesn't keep him from blasting Cats. And The Phantom of the Opera.

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Think of me fondly.

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At campaign events and at the White House. But he's a classic fan of both Broadway and macho movies and movie stars from the 80s and 90s.

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You wrote that Trump's return to power marked the triumph of a cultural red lash that has been brewing for years. What did you mean?

Chapter 4: How did the merger between Netflix and Warner Brothers impact the industry?

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I think a lot of people close to Trump and a lot of people who supported him believed that 2024 and his reelection was a vindication of their worldview. And they saw this in the strength of the growth of independent podcasters and the kind of manosphere figures like Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn and their willingness to openly support Trump and kind of chop it up.

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So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. OK, I'll turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn't it wasn't like I was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me.

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I could definitely tell you.

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You said a lot of wild shit.

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They saw this as a as a vindication that this was really the mainstream culture and that, you know, kind of this anti-Trump. cultural backlash that had kind of emanated from the traditional gatekeepers in Hollywood and these other places just had lost some currency with a lot of mainstream Americans. They pointed at the popularity of country music.

811.121 - 830.52 Max Tani

There's been these big debates over whether people like Morgan Wallen You know, is he kind of a Trump supporter? You know, I think that a lot of people who like Trump and are very pleased by this have pointed out all of those signs and the popularity of country music, bro, podcasters, and Trump's reelection and said, this is mainstream American culture.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Paramount's hostile takeover attempt?

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And so the idea that it is to be cool and rebellious by going to church is just a very simple counterimitation of the counterimitation.

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So at the end of the day, the pendulum is going to keep swinging, right? President Trump may be in the Oval Office demanding to have rush hour four and doing whatever he's doing at the Kennedy Center. But I wonder if already we're 12 months into his second term. I wonder if already you see the pendulum starting to swing back in the other direction.

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Or do you think a kind of conservative culture will hold on for a while longer, be cool and transgressive for a while longer?

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I do think the fashion trend, and it really feels like a fashion of being anti-liberal, has some legs in the sense that if you compare the Women's March and the No Kings rallies, No Kings, the general aesthetic sense of that is that it is boomers, it's people's parents. It's very normie.

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So we now move on to the Antiqua portion of our coverage of the No Kings rally.

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These inflatable suits everywhere you go. People are partying. Where'd you get that suit? I bought it. Amazon, but you know, I don't really... It doesn't really have this kind of pop culture edge to it. And then you go back to the women's march. Massive crowd of women marching behind me. This is the front line, and they're pretty amped.

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Obviously, there's the use of Beyonce's formation as kind of a major pop cultural moment there. There's the pussy hat. And then you have things like Black Lives Matter, protest, and Kendrick Lamar's All Right being associated with that. We gon' be all right. We gon' be all right. We gon' be all right. We gon' be all right.

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So there was more of a linkage between pop culture and the resistance in 2016. And I think we're not quite there in terms of pop culture going back to full resistance mode. That's still in people's memory quite fresh. And there is something cringe about it in that it feels like an old stale fashion trend.

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And so really until that gets forgotten or there's a new kind of resistance that does feel properly transgressive, I think it'd be hard for this political wave against Trump to be fully enmeshed in a pop cultural moment.

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