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Chapter 1: What recent events led to tensions between Trump and Netanyahu?
Israel and Lebanon agreed to a U.S.-backed ceasefire last night. A ceasefire.
That part of the world, ceasefire is when you're shooting in a more moderate manner.
This morning, Israel admitted it is still targeting Hezbollah in Lebanon. So point for Donald Trump, maybe.
Chapter 2: What does the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Lebanon entail?
Though Trump said yesterday Hezbollah had agreed to stop shooting at Israel.
We actually spoke with Hezbollah for the first time ever. We didn't know they spoke.
Trump is growing frustrated with Benjamin Netanyahu. He copped to cussing him out in a phone call on Monday. Congress is growing frustrated with Trump. The House voted yesterday to demand that the president withdraw U.S. forces from the region or get congressional approval. The yeas are 215 and the nays are 208. Underpinning all of this, the question of what Israel is actually trying to do here.
Today on Today Explained from Fox, the Greater Israel Project. What it is and why it means Israel doesn't want to stop.
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Mark Caputo, I'm a senior political writer and White House correspondent for Axios.
And you've been writing about something that happened between President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday. What happened exactly? What went down?
Over the weekend, President Trump was hopeful that he was close to a deal, a peace deal with Iran.
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Chapter 3: Why is the Greater Israel Project significant in current conflicts?
I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this. And Trump also had told Netanyahu that you just got to stop. You've got to stop. After that call, Netanyahu did signal he was going to scale it back a little, but not completely. And now there's allegedly some sort of detente.
All right, so President Trump was asked about this in a New York Post podcast on Wednesday. Did you say it? He says, yeah, I did. How exactly did the president characterize what happened in that meeting?
Well, he said he wasn't angry, but he was a little bit perturbed.
I wouldn't say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe... We got to stop this.
So to the degree he was disputing our reporting, it was the description of how mad he was. Understand that Trump and Netanyahu, as I like to say, they have sort of a brotherly relationship between the two of them, but sometimes brothers fight. And periodically they've had these clashes.
Usually it's Trump laying into Netanyahu because he thinks Netanyahu is just too aggressive a little too often and pushes the envelope too much. Netanyahu and his people think the prime minister has to advocate and defend and attack enemies vociferously on behalf of Israel because if he doesn't, then no one will.
Why has the relationship between Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu deteriorated?
I don't want to say it's deteriorated overall. We don't know because there have been times where this has happened in the past. For instance, last year, Netanyahu unleashed an assault on Syria and Trump sort of lit into him over that. We wrote about that at Axios. And then when Trump was close to getting the Gaza peace deal, which he eventually did do, he had also sort of
chastise Netanyahu for standing in the way of a good agreement, letting sort of the perfect be the enemy of the good. But underlying all of this is a belief by a number of people in U.S. government, in the administration writ large, that there are There are convergences of interests. There's an alignment of interests between America and Israel on some things. And there are divergences.
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Chapter 4: How has Trump's relationship with Netanyahu evolved over time?
Now, as a result of him not doing that, things are much rougher. on the Republicans, and it doesn't appear as if things are going to markedly improve between now, you know, early June and November. So, yes, this is a drag on Republicans. Gas prices don't show much signs of decreasing.
If you look at sort of the more granular, you zoom in a bit more in different places in the nation, Iowa's gonna have a more contested U.S. Senate race, perhaps, than otherwise thought. Iowa, a red state, but it's a farm state.
Not only are they grappling with the costs of higher fuel, but higher fertilizer prices and trade policies, restrictions, trade policies by President Trump that have also made farming and selling farming products more complicated. So there are these very real effects of both the war and Donald Trump's policies writ large that appear to be a drag on the president's party.
It's impossible to know if President Trump is actually at a breaking point with Benjamin Netanyahu, but if he were, it would be a very big deal. What would it look like if President Trump simply said, enough, enough of this?
I'll admit I would find that difficult to see because one of the myths I think about President Trump going into this war that is said by some people, some anti-Semites and some not anti-Semites, is that Trump was basically tricked into it by a crafty Netanyahu. That's not the case. Trump went into this of his own accord and of his own beliefs.
Now, did Netanyahu and the Israeli intelligence services play a role in that? Sure. Were they part of the discussions? Absolutely. But just as Trump went in there of his own accord and based on his own beliefs and the intelligence that is produced by the U.S. intel agencies, Trump is not pulling out.
uh because of netanyahu the relationship between the two two of them is close and it's pretty strong and pretty deep at the same time trump does not hesitate to let loose on netanyahu periodically when he feels that the israeli prime minister has gone too far and that's just sort of what you saw over this weekend
Mark Caputo of Axios. Coming up, why Israel won't stop. We're going to explain something called the Greater Israel Project.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Israel's military actions in Lebanon?
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Daniel Levy heads up the U.S. Middle East project. Daniel was an Israeli negotiator during the Oslo Accords in the 90s and early aughts. And as such, he spent a lot of time thinking about Israel's borders.
First of all, unusually, Israel does not have defined borders. It has peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan. So those borders are actually defined, the Egyptian and the Jordanian border with Israel. But when it comes to Syria, for instance, Israel annexed illegally Syrian territory after the 1973 war, after the 67 war, later on it annexed the Golan. So that border is in dispute with Lebanon.
Israel is right now, as people will know, deep inside Lebanese territory. But it normally focuses on greater Israel. So that's everything that is recognized as Israel today, plus the West Bank, plus Gaza. But greater Israel means different things to different people.
So right from the early days of the Zionist project, there were those who said, well, if we're going to Zion, then this is the biblical land of Israel. So that stretches from, you may have heard the term, the Nile to the Euphrates. Not only does that cover all of Israeli and what putatively has been designated as a Palestinian state territory, but parts of present day Egypt, Jordan, Syria.
Sometimes you'll have Israeli leaders saying, we can extend even further. But from the early days of the Zionist movement, there was a part of that, the revisionist Zionist movement. And in fact, their slogan was both banks of the Jordan. So that includes all of modern-day Jordan.
Though my country may be poor and small, it is mine from head to foot, stretching from the sea to the desert, and the Jordan, the Jordan in the middle. Zev Jabotinsky, founder of the revisionist Zionist movement.
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Chapter 6: How do the U.S. and Israel's interests align or diverge?
And who has that folder? Whose plan is this within Israel?
Every single Israeli government since Israel took the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 1967, since the settlement project began moving Israeli citizens against international law into those Palestinian territories that are under Israeli occupation and administration, every government, labor, all they could, center right or center left, has built and expanded those settlements.
And today's Israeli governing coalition, in the coalition agreement which guides the government policies, has a line that says the Jewish people have the exclusive and inalienable right to all of the land of Israel. That's the official guidelines of the government. Now, there are some in the government who say to Damascus openly.
Who says that?
Well, people may have heard of two ministers who are part of a further right party that Prime Minister Netanyahu helped create. Bezalel Smotrich, finance minister, head of the National Religious Party. Itamar Ben-Gviel, police internal security minister, head of the Jewish Power Party. They openly say, greater Israel, resettle Gaza, settle Lebanon, expand the presence into Syria.
Smotrich says, right to Damascus. Okay, bit by bit, it is written that the future of Jerusalem is to expand to Damascus. So, you've got a government that says, we want this. It does make me wonder though, ordinary Israelis, people who live in Israel, is this something that they want, that they support?
If you ask the Israeli broad populace, Do you identify with the settlements and greater Israel? You wouldn't get a consensus there. But if you ask them, should Israel evacuate that territory for a Palestinian state, you would get significantly more than 50% opposition. So the reality is... that the settlement project, the greater Israel project, is the lived reality. That's what gets budgets.
That's where the military is positioned. That's how Israel lives on a day-to-day basis.
The U.S. has a tricky relationship with Israel right now, and we'll get into President Trump in just a second. But before we get to him, are there Americans in leadership that are advocating for this? Are there Americans that are saying, yes, let's have a bigger, a larger Israel, an Israel with a larger map?
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Chapter 7: What role does public opinion play in Israel's expansionist policies?
He talks about the answer to Hormuz building pipelines to Israel's Mediterranean ports.
Just have oil pipelines going west through the Arabian Peninsula, right up to Israel, right up to our Mediterranean ports, and you've just done away with the choke points for forever.
So he openly teases out this idea in many of his statements and actions. Personally, I think that's overreach. I don't think they can achieve that.
Yes, I wonder about the question of overreach because many of Israel's allies have become deeply frustrated with Israel in the past, you know, two and a half years. We talked in the first half of the show about how President Trump apparently got into a fight with Benjamin Netanyahu on the phone. And I wonder where this could lead if Netanyahu continues to push this agenda.
Could it lead to such alienation from Israel's allies that it ends up reducing Israel's power and influence because Israel is abandoned by its allies? What is the potential downside here for Netanyahu and those who pursue this?
Potential downside is devastating, potentially. Israel is already... looking at a reality in which regional actors who were taking very seriously the idea of Israel, it's there, it's not going away, it needs to be integrated, we'll play footsie. If only they weren't so in your face about how they treat the Palestinians, maybe they can get past that.
Those countries today look around and they say, yes, we have a problem with Iran, but who started this war? Who managed to get America to do this against our interests? That's a widely held position in the Gulf. And they look and they say, our publics have been watching these images coming out of Gaza for two and a half years. That is deeply radicalizing. Public opinion.
They hear what Israeli leaders say. They're openly expansionist, but also racist. And they say this country needs to be contained. Now, do they have the wherewithal to do it? Can they cooperate sufficiently to do it? Unclear. That's, though, the potential blowback that Israel is facing. Israel talks now about Turkey being the next Iran enemy, taking on a very major military power and NATO state.
That's not a war for tomorrow. But that's where some of this intended power projection bumps up against the realities that Israel is a small country.
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