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Today in Focus

Is Europe ready for a future without the US?

06 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What prompted the discussion about US troop withdrawals from Germany?

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This is The Guardian.

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10.397 - 16.673 Helen Pitt

Today, as Trump withdraws troops from Germany, is Europe ready for a future without America?

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27.132 - 40.353 Deborah Cole

Landschule is a very unique place. I mean, it's just a small town in Germany at first glance. You've got the sort of Rhineland architecture and the sloping red roofs and these sort of 19th century buildings around.

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40.373 - 50.068 Carter Sherman

Deborah Cole covers Germany for The Guardian, and she recently visited Landschule in the southwest of the country, which, while very German, is also very American.

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50.048 - 70.909 Deborah Cole

You have the American fast food joints and you've got a nail salon with an American flag in front of it. They had a fun fair going when we were there, decorated with Uncle Sam. It's essentially just kind of one big welcome mat for Americans to feel part of this community. And they have been for now 81 years.

Chapter 2: How has the American presence influenced the town of Landstuhl?

73.184 - 89.539 Helen Pitt

Ever since the US Army marched into the nearby city of Kaiserslautern in the spring of 1945, Americans have been woven into the fabric of life here. Of the 68,000 US military personnel stationed in Europe, around 9,000 live in Landstuhl, along with their families.

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90.28 - 101.47 Helen Pitt

So when Donald Trump announced he would be withdrawing American troops from Germany, apparently to punish the German Chancellor for suggesting his war in Iran was a mistake, dismay spread across Landstuhl.

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108.453 - 113.684 Deborah Cole

I spoke to a high school teacher in town who compared it to like a bombshell.

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114.044 - 136.278 Helen Pitt

I'll translate that for you. Around here we love our American, she says. Across Europe, leaders are starting to wonder what will happen if this is just the start of the American withdrawal from the continent, potentially from NATO too.

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Chapter 3: What historical context explains the US military presence in Germany?

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They're increasing defence spending, reintroducing conscription, stockpiling weapons. But is it enough? From The Guardian, I'm Helen Pitt. Today in Focus, can Europe defend itself alone? Deborah Cole, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. It's lovely to see you.

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Chapter 4: What military facilities are located in Landstuhl and their significance?

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So you're not just our Germany correspondent, but you're also an American, aren't you? So you're very perfectly placed for this episode. So thanks for being here. My pleasure. So you had a very interesting day in this town of Landstuhl last week after Trump threatened to withdraw 5,000 troops from Germany. Can we just start with the basics?

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178.216 - 182.2 Helen Pitt

Why are there still any American soldiers stationed in Germany?

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182.787 - 188.313 Deborah Cole

Well, you have to kind of scroll back 81 years, you know, to the end of the Second World War.

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Chapter 5: Why are European leaders concerned about potential US troop reductions?

188.353 - 215.848 Deborah Cole

So at that time, you know, Germany was completely physically and morally destroyed. And the American troops led by General Patton marched into this region in March 1945 and have never left. And it's been a place... to project US power throughout a very broad region, as well as protecting European allies who are part of NATO.

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216.368 - 223.095 Carter Sherman

And then, so over the last 81 years, when was the sort of peak for the number of troops that were stationed in Germany?

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223.816 - 233.146 Deborah Cole

So the peak was during the Cold War. At the end of World War II, there were 1.6 million US troops, but that was a short-lived experience.

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Chapter 6: How do Germans feel about the American military presence?

233.167 - 246.761 Deborah Cole

And then after that, they drew down into the hundreds of thousands in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, up and through the 80s. you still had more than 250,000 US troops in Germany.

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248.008 - 251.404 Helen Pitt

What is actually in Landstuhl when it comes to US military facilities?

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251.857 - 273.17 Deborah Cole

Well, Landstuhl is known mainly for the medical center there, and that is the biggest U.S. hospital outside the United States. But it is part of a whole community that is part of the Kaiserslautern military community. And that includes the Rammstein Air Base, which is also enormously important for U.S.

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Chapter 7: What are the implications of Trump's troop withdrawal announcement?

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military operations in Europe and military action in the Middle East, in Afghanistan and and in Africa. So the whole community taken together has about 50,000 US troops, support staff, and then families who are based there. So these are people who are not just, you know, kind of passing through, they come and they and they stay for a few years with their families.

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299.328 - 308.982 Helen Pitt

And isn't Ramstein also important for NATO? I read that it was the sort of it acted as the command centre for military airspace surveillance for all European partners.

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309.164 - 309.645 Deborah Cole

That's right.

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Chapter 8: How prepared is Europe for a future without American military support?

309.805 - 332.033 Deborah Cole

And it's also been in use as part of the U.S.-Israeli led war in Iran. And whereas some European partners have refused to allow the U.S. to use their airspace as part of that campaign, German airspace and Rammstein have been very important as part of this latest war as well.

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332.013 - 349.846 Helen Pitt

Isn't that interesting, considering the dive that the US-German relations have taken in the past week, as we will get on to. And so you went to Landstuhl just last week, and I know that you spoke to quite a few residents and troops who are in the town, and they seem quite sad at the prospect of the troops being sent back home.

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350.407 - 355.877 Helen Pitt

Why do American GIs, if you want to call them that, have such a special place in so many Germans' hearts?

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356.583 - 380.586 Deborah Cole

Well, I mean, you know, from the U.S. perspective, there is a lot of history there. But also the Germans, you know, some of the people I talked to talked about sort of our Americans. And almost everyone I spoke to among the Germans had either worked for the Americans or been married to an American or had children. I mean, there are business ties that go back decades.

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380.606 - 401.67 Deborah Cole

I mean, these are communities that are completely interwoven. It is a community that is very much German-American. And so for me as an American going to visit, it's sort of like this, it's like a, you know, kind of Truman show. It's a world within a world where I feel like for half a second, if I kind of squint that I'm somewhere in a, you know, Midwestern town.

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And in terms of what you can actually see as the American influence, what is there in Landstuhl that would give you a hint if you didn't know that there was this enormous American air base so nearby? Yeah.

412.945 - 436.422 Deborah Cole

So when we were there last Thursday, we got lucky that the carnival, the spring carnival was happening. And, you know, just as we pulled into town, we saw these rides for kids with Uncle Sam. You see the Stars and Stripes everywhere. Every shop sort of, you know, everything's advertised in English and in German, for those of you who remember that.

436.402 - 458.528 Deborah Cole

uh wayne's world we went to shell wings um chicken party time excellent yeah yeah yeah i i knew i had found the right place to find americans and germans and um and so you know it's it's a community that has very much opened its arms to to its americans and tried to make them as feel as home as possible

458.508 - 469.579 Helen Pitt

And I guess there's a lot of livelihoods in the area that are dependent on the Americans' presence. Did you meet anybody whose businesses would be in dire straits if they were to be sent back home?

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