Trial Lawyers University
Episodes
Sagi Shaked - Rejecting the Lowball Offers: Two Trials, Two Verdicts, and Lessons Learned
19 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A thousand-pound gate falls on a woman. The last thing she remembers is being on the property and going down stairs. She suffers a TBI. The defense's ...
Russell Pate - Island Justice in the U.S. Territories: $6.3M & $113M verdicts
17 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Little island. Big cases. Bigger verdicts. Russ Pate is a solo plaintiff lawyer in St. Croix whose career has included a combined $113 million verdict...
In the Trenches with Melissa Scartelli – The Making of a Medical Malpractice Warrior
26 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
They offered $100,000. She demanded $450,000. They wouldn't budge — so she went to trial. The jury came back with $10 million. To this day, it remai...
Przemek Lubecki - Strategy, Skills, and Confidence from more than 100 Civil Jury Trials
14 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Przemek Lubecki embodies the American dream. He and his family emigrated from Poland, living in Germany before gaining asylum in the United States in ...
Andrew Pickett – Taking from the Greats, and Making It My Own
04 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
A former prosecutor who now runs his own firm, Andrew Pickett visits host Dan Ambrose to reveal his strategies for success in the courtroom and in bus...
Jeremy Babener – Helping Plaintiffs Keep More of Their Hard-Won Cash
29 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Jeremy Babener helps plaintiffs and trial lawyers keep more of their settlements and verdicts through tax-saving agreements. In this conversation with...
Reflections from Cabo – Next Level Performance and Connection Training in Paradise
09 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Broadcasting from Cabo San Lucas, host Dan Ambrose gathers five participants in the recent TLU bootcamp to reflect on their experience and role-play t...
Kimball Jones - Case Framing: Six Trials, $700+ Million in Results
06 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Over the past year, Kimball Jones has taken six cases to trial, securing more than $700 million in verdicts and settlements. In this conversation with...
Sach Oliver - From Cowboy to Trial Titan with a “Magical Place” for Learning
23 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Picture learning trial methodology while fishing in the afternoon, shooting archery, and riding horses across 1,750 acres of Missouri ranch land. Cele...
Mohamad Ahmad — Overcoming Self Doubt, Fear and Insecurity To Get a $51,000,000 Verdict
15 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Clashes with the judge. Nineteen expert depositions. Ten hours of court hearings leading to trial. Outcome: $51.3 million for a construction worker wh...
Alex Ivanov - From Belarus KGB to Dallas Courtrooms
10 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Alex Ivanov’s journey to Angel Reyes & Associates in Texas started when he fled his native Belarus after refusing KGB recruitment, arriving in A...
Will Meekins and Ryan McCollum - What We Got Out of the Joe Fried TLU Trucking Bootcamp: Practice, Practice, Practice
03 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Two North Carolina attorneys who served their country and are now serving their clients discuss what they gained from the Trial Lawyer University’s ...
Eric Oliver - Bringing 41 Years of Experience to the Trial Story Bootcamp
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In 1984, Eric Oliver was teaching persuasion skills to marketeers in computer firms. When he transitioned to trial consulting that year, he found a ne...
John Martin — From Debt Collection to Million-Dollar Wins
14 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
It was a longshot case. After all, the jury knew that John Martin’s client, suing for employment discrimination, already had retirement benefits. Bu...
George Moschopoulos -- From Engineer to Employment Lawyer; Six-Figure Offer to $3 Million Verdict
05 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
“Every employment case is a story about betrayal,” says George Moschopoulos, who recently convinced jurors that the Los Angeles Unified School Dis...
Joe Fried – Trucking Bootcamp and the Future of TLU
24 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Looking back on this month’s TLU Beach, Joe Fried says attendees and even vendors declared it the best program yet. The renowned trucking attorney f...
Bobby Taghavi – Trial by Fire: From Prosecuting Evil to Leading Sweet James
02 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Working on the Golden State Killer Task Force, which prosecuted a notorious California serial killer, was a career highlight for Bobby Taghavi. But, a...
Conal Doyle – Born Different, Built for Trial Greatness
30 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Born without his right leg, Conal Doyle is an accomplished athlete who refuses to let challenges get in his way. “And I've carried that through my l...
Ash Mohamadi – No Plan B
28 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
To effectively talk with a jury about non-economic damages, you need a star witness – usually not your client – who can communicate how an injury ...
Randy Calvert – Designing the Perfect Focus Group
24 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
About 25 years ago – years after stints as a professional pilot, steel worker, and certified public accountant – Randy Calvert discovered focus gr...
Tim Felice – From Back-to-Back Defeats to a $92 Million Verdict
22 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
After suffering two trial losses, Tim Felice wondered if he wanted to put himself out there again. But as he read about a new case, and spoke with the...
LEADERSHIP and PASSION in DISCOVERY and TRIAL: BE ALL YOU CAN BE!
17 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"When you get a verdict, you have till midnight to either celebrate or to sulk," observes John Romano. With 51 years of trial experience, John reflect...
Kurt Zaner – Trial losses: They Make You or Break You. You Decide
13 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"I lost a huge trial and it was a very sobering and depressing, challenging verdict to receive," recalls Kurt Zaner in a candid conversation with host...
Kenny Berger – How to Fight Tort Reform & Win
10 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Kenny Berger is fighting tort reform in South Carolina, so he has advice for lawyers who are joining similar fights: “Have themes and principles tha...
Stephen Burg – From Columbine to the Courtroom, Overcoming Hurdles in the Pursuit of Justice
06 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"By getting the first impression on a topic—whether good or bad—you create something that sticks, making it much harder for the defense to change ...
Moses Kim – From Missionary Kid to Medical Malpractice Maverick
28 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Moses Kim shares his unique journey from growing up as a missionary's son in Argentina and rural Alabama to becoming a successful medical malpractice ...
Monte Tynes – From Dreams of Being a Fighter Pilot to Battling in the Courtroom
23 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Monte Tynes shares his remarkable 20-year journey from aspiring fighter pilot to accomplished trial lawyer handling everything from DUIs to wrongful c...
Sagi Shaked - Inside the TBI Case: How to Spot, Build, and Win Brain Injury Lawsuits
19 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Your client didn’t lose consciousness? Then your client doesn’t have a traumatic brain injury. At least, that’s what the defense will say. Don’...
Greg Prosmushkin – The Mental Shift that Makes the Difference, Applying NLP to Trial Lawyering
16 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"The true journey to becoming a great lawyer is making the unconscious conscious," observes Greg Prosmushkin in conversation with host Dan Ambrose. Fr...
Eric Wilson - From Second Chair to Lead Trial Lawyer, My Journey
10 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
“One of the things I think you really need to try a case is that certainty – that forward tilt, the idea that your client is correct – and every...
Daniel Rodriguez – From Cotton Picker to Grape Picker to Toiling in the Vineyards of Justice!
07 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
When you frame a case around negligence, you'll likely get a modest verdict or none at all. But when you reframe it as a story of betrayal, the jury's...
Patrick Salvi Jr. - Life Lessons for Big Verdicts
27 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"It's easy to convince yourself to settle a case," says Chicago trial lawyer Patrick A. Salvi Jr. Despite growing up with the Salvi name, he had to co...
Deena Buchanan – From 20 Years of Billable Hours to Finding My Purpose in the Courtroom
25 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
When Deena Buchanan walked down the hallway at the New Mexico State Court after representing the defense, grieving families from the other side would ...
Ben Rubinowitz – Expert Cross-Examination Masterclass
21 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
"We're walking them out on a tightrope. We keep walking them out, and finally, when we push, they fall into the canyon of doom. There is no escape." B...
Scott Frost - Mastering the Mindset of a Trial Lawyer
05 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Scott Frost, a veteran mesothelioma trial lawyer with over 100 trials under his belt, joins host Dan Ambrose to share insights from his distinguished ...
Andrew Robb – How Turning Down Record-Breaking Offer Turned Into 100M
01 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andrew Robb joins host Dan Ambrose to share his remarkable journey from aspiring opera singer to aviation litigation specialist at his family's firm. ...
Al Foeckler – From Wisconsin State Supreme Court to Wisconsin's Top Trial Lawyer
27 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Al Foeckler, a prominent Wisconsin trial lawyer, joins Dan Ambrose to discuss his remarkable journey from the Wisconsin Supreme Court to becoming one ...
Mike Karp – Fast Tracking Your Way to Eight Figures
27 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Mike Karp was always inspired by the winning trial lawyers he met at Trial Lawyers University. It didn’t take him long to join their ranks. He’s t...
Patrick Kang - Learning from Adversity: My Evolution to Becoming a Winning Trial Lawyer
23 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Patrick Kang lost a toxic mold case back in 2023. “It was the best thing to ever happen to me,” he says.As Patrick explains to host Dan Ambrose, h...
Jason Waechter – Learning Your Way to Your Eight-Figure Verdict
15 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Dan Ambrose invites a Michigan colleague to discuss lessons learned from the TLU suite of programs and his upcoming TLU case analysis. Jason Waechter,...
Ryan Skiver – Training to BE a Trial Lawyer, Reps, Reps, Reps
13 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From sunny Cabo San Lucas, host Dan Ambrose and Ryan Skiver of Skiver Bradley Law Firm encourage trial lawyers to take advantage of learning opportuni...
Frank Fratello – Applying TLU Vegas Lessons to Secure $2.12 Million Verdict
06 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
On a recent Saturday in October, Frank Fratello of Farah & Farah took the red-eye from TLU Vegas back to Jacksonville, Florida. On Monday, jury se...
David Sugden – Teaching that Confidence Is a Byproduct of Competence
14 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Host Dan Ambrose invites David Sugden of Call & Jensen for a discussion about the importance of constant practice and learning for trial lawyers. ...
Darryl Isaacs – Leveraging Marketing Techniques to Build a Long-Standing Firm
09 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Darryl Isaacs of Isaacs & Isaacs Personal Injury Lawyers joins host Dan Ambrose for a conversation about building a legal practice, emphasizing th...
Phillip Miller – Building Landmines to Secure $140 Million Verdict Against Kroger
09 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
PI trial attorney and consultant Phillip Miller joins host Dan Ambrose to cover a wide range of topics about trial strategy. From learning microexpres...
Nick Rowley - Mentors, Connecting with Clients, and Saving Oceans
05 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In a wide-ranging interview, host Dan Ambrose talks about TLU Vegas with one of the conference’s featured speakers, guest Nick Rowley of The R...
Alicia Campbell – Knowledge Is Power; Plaintiffs’ Lawyers Can Access It
04 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Alicia Campbell, co-author of JuryBall, joins host Dan Ambrose to discuss the genesis of that landmark publication and her work helping lawyers levera...
Spencer Lucas – Pursuing Justice for Sexual Abuse Survivors, Securing $135 Million
20 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Spencer Lucas learned three important lessons from legendary personal injury lawyer Brian Panish: preparation, aggressiveness, and authenticity. A par...
Kimball Jones – Thirty Days, Three Verdicts, One Exceptional Team
16 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Verdict number 1: $7 million. Verdict number 2: $101 million. Verdict number 3: $13.2 million. That’s how a recent 30-day run went for Kimball Jones...
Robert Glassman — How Leveling with Jurors Helped Win an $11 Million Verdict
09 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Robert S. Glassman’s client was driving a motorcycle over the posted speed limit when a city truck cut in front of him from a side street. In the en...
Mike Morse — Securing $75 Million in Wrongful Death Poisoning Case
04 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
After years of settling cases out of court, Mike Morse represented the parents of a college student who died at a friend’s house when he took a high...
Sean Claggett – Forget What You Learned in Law School. Juries Are Predictable
29 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
When Sean Claggett says that it’s rare for a lawyer armed with data to lose at trial, he has the data to back it up.The evidence can be found in the...
Joe Fried – Embracing the TLU Platform to Teach Trucking Law
14 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
For Joe Fried of Fried Goldberg LLC, two upcoming cases offer a great opportunity to share his insight as a founder of truck accident law. That’s wh...
Rahul Ravipudi – Injured Client, Signed Waiver, $46 Million Verdict
12 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The beginning jiu-jitsu student had signed a waiver to take lessons; that much was clear. Also clear, tragically so, was that the young man suffered a...
Sach Oliver – Turning Early Losses into a Methodology for Success
08 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“It wasn't all so sunny and shiny early on, taking those hits,” Sach Oliver says about his early trial losses. To get back up, he broke down his f...
Michael Alder - Don’t Fear Obstacles in Your Case. They’re a Gift
06 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
When Michael Alder’s client goes to trial, she will face what Michael believes is the number one type of discrimination today: weight. She’s 5-foo...
Randall Sorrels – Foiling a “Nuclear Verdict Defense” to Win $353 Million
01 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Struck on an airport tarmac by a fueling vehicle, the United Airlines worker suffered catastrophic injuries. “The worst-hurt person I've ever seen i...
Randi McGinn – Being a Trial Lawyer Is Storytelling on Steroids
30 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“Let me start at the beginning,” says Randi McGinn when asked about what became a $42 million judgment against a semi-trailer manufacturer, the la...
Jesse Wilson – Juries Are Persuaded by Victors, Not Victims
24 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
No matter the case, no matter the client, you need a compelling story to convince the jury to award damages. “You want that million dollars?”...
Harry Plotkin – Think Your Case Is Airtight? This Jury Consultant Is Here to Burst Your Bubble
17 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
You can’t get the right verdict without the right jury. Harry Plotkin, a nationally renowned plaintiff’s jury consultant with over 700 juries to h...
Charla Aldous – A Masterclass in Facing Down Corporate Defendants
12 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
At her first plaintiffs’ trial, Charla Aldous was the lead lawyer on a team of four, with one legal assistant. The defense, oil and gas station gian...
David Ball - The Science of Winning: Insights on Trial Strategy
03 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“If anything you do or think is more than a few steps removed from the jury, you're probably either wasting your time or hurting yourself.”In this...
Dirk Vandever – Mastering Wrongful Death Cases
22 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Some lawyers are thrown off by a wrongful death case, but not Dirk Vandever. In this episode of Trial Lawyers University, Dan Ambrose is joined b...
David deRubertis – Achieving Record-Setting Employment Jury Verdicts
05 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Trial Lawyers University, trial lawyer David deRubertis–who won a $464.5M verdict in 2022, the largest employment jury verdict in...
Lloyd Bell – Trial is a Performance
04 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode of Trial Lawyers University, med mal trial attorney Lloyd Bell shares his approach to trial–drawing parallels to acting, emphasizing...
Dale Galipo – Roadmap to Winning Civil Rights Cases
01 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
When Dale Galipo started doing civil rights cases, only 10% were won by plaintiffs. But Dale wins 91% of his trials. And those aren’t even his...
Great Trial Lawyers are Built not Born — the Origins of Trial Lawyers University
24 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“Being a great trial lawyer is about getting people to do what you want them to do–getting those juries to believe what you believe. It’s about ...
Bruce Broillet - Trial Strategies From the Erin Andrews Case and More
15 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“The more you see at trial, the more second nature some things become.” And the more second nature things become, the more bandwidth you have at t...
Nick Rowley – Brutal Honesty and Standing Up to Bullies in the Courtroom
09 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Bullies are the same whether they’re in a schoolyard or the courtroom. Either way, Nick Rowley will fight back. In this episode of Trial Lawyer...
Michael Hill – Empowering Juries to Deliver Justice to Elder Abuse Victims
03 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Senior citizens are a vulnerable population who are sometimes abused by the very people charged with keeping them safe. How can the elderly receive ju...
Sean Claggett – Great Trial Lawyers Are So Prepared, It’s Unbelievable
01 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How do legends of the law become legendary? How can one attorney help secure over $2.5 BILLION for their clients? And what makes a trial lawyer great?...
Steve DeBosier and Chad Dudley – Strategies For Increasing Injury Firm Profitability
26 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
All law firms want to be more profitable, but what strategies can an injury firm implement to accomplish that goal?In this episode of Trial Lawyers Un...
Kurt Zaner–Courtroom Drama: Performance as a Tool for All Aspects of Trial
24 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Sometimes you just have to fake until you make it, which is stressful. But a plunge in ice-cold water can help you manage that stress.In this episode ...
Ben Cloward – Getting a Law-Changing Verdict
17 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Making things better–both for clients and society as a whole–is the epitome of what trial lawyers do. But how do you drive change?In this ep...
Bob Simon–Keep It Simple (and Real) for the Jury
03 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Tell the jury the case is simple. Prove it to them. And let the defense waste the jury’s time with frivolous things and conspiracy theories. In...
Ron Johnson – Take Control on Cross, Anchor When Asking for Punitives
20 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In the plaintiff’s world, trial lawyers are judged by the size of their verdicts. So what are the secrets to getting those big verdicts?In this epis...
Jon Teller – Getting Your First Eight-Figure Verdict
06 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
When somebody hits their first eight-figure case, it changes how they value things and how the defense values them too. In this episode of Trial ...
Craig Peters – If You Don’t Believe Your Number, the Jury Won’t Either
21 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
If you ask the jury for a big number you don’t believe in, you’re probably not going to get it. The jury is going to sense it, and your client is ...
Michael Cowen – Motivate The Jurors To Be The Heroes of The Story
12 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The jury doesn’t care if you make money or not. Your trial story has to be the story of what the defendant did wrong and then you need to motivate t...
Steven DeBosier – The Verdicts Are What Keep the Settlements High
06 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
You can have all the cases in the world, but until you start trying them, you’re not going to get much value from them. You have to put people in th...
Michael Hill – Practice, Learn to Sell, and Get Over Your Fears to Become a Great Trial Lawyer
29 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
If you’re not practicing your performance in preparation for trial, then you’re missing a huge opportunity.In this episode of Trial Lawyers Univer...
Wesley Ball – Alex Jones, Mitsubishi, and “How To Do You” as a Trial Lawyer
22 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
There’s no substitute for working hard. Talent alone isn’t enough. If you want to be a great trial lawyer, hard work is number one.In this episode...
Mark Kosieradzki - The Role of Curiosity, Analysis, and Courage in Trial Practice
08 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Most lawyers think trial is theater. But theater is just the frosting on the cake. In this episode of Trial Lawyers University, Dan Ambrose is jo...
Ed Ciarimboli – A Desire to Succeed as a Trial Lawyer Requires a Willingness to Fail
25 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
It’s easy to get into your own bubble as a lawyer and to keep doing something because that’s the way you’ve always done it. But just because you...
Keith Mitnik – Clearing Hurdles, Managing Fear, and Connecting with the Jury
18 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
When you see a hurdle, don't run from it. Run at it, and figure out how to clear it, because every case has a lot of hurdles. In this episode of ...
John Uustal – Try the Case in the Courtroom, Not the Case in the File
20 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
You have to be alive to the moment that can win you the case, and seize that opportunity.In this episode of Trial Lawyers University, Dan Ambrose is j...
Ben Rubinowitz – Tough, But Worth It: Becoming a Great Trial Lawyer and Unforgettable Moments
13 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Are you disciplined enough to keep going even when you’re tired? Practicing law can feel like an endurance test, but discipline is critical if you w...
Jakob Norman – Discipline, Self-Awareness and Navigating Trial Against a Corporate Giant
06 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
When you go up against a big corporation, be prepared to get nothing and stick with it. Be prepared to feel a little bit stupid. But it doesn’t matt...
Dino Colombo – Trial: The Ultimate Likeability Contest
30 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
The jurors are never going to understand all the facts of your case, but they know who's telling the truth. They know who's giving them bullshit and w...
Zoe Littlepage – You Can’t Persuade Someone Who’s Not Listening
23 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
“You can’t persuade someone who’s not listening. And the attention span of the average juror now is less than a goldfish. So, you've got to keep...
David Christensen – The Best Storytellers Win the Case
16 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bucketing down when it's time and knowing every document better than the other person is the key to being a successful trial lawyer. Tune into th...
Chris Finney – Trust Your Gut and Know Your Case’s Worth
09 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Stay present, trust your gut, and settle only if it feels right. Tune into this episode of Trial Lawyers University as Dan Ambrose speaks with Ch...
Jack Cook – Mastering the Art of Trial Storytelling
02 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
“Like I always tell my staff: Be right, be wrong, be slow, be fast. But for goodness’ sake, don't be boring. That is what's unforgivable to that j...
Lloyd Bell – Win More, Win Bigger with These Keys to Success
25 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
“There's no such thing as a successful, lazy trial lawyer, because it's hard work.”On this episode of Trial Lawyers University, Dan Ambrose speaks...
Sach Oliver – Connecting with Juries Through Humble, Abiding Truth
24 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Connect with the jury through selflessness. Not for pride, praise, or ego. On this episode of Trial Lawyers University, Dan Ambrose speaks with S...
Brian Panish – The Winner’s Guide to Being a Trial Lawyer
19 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
“You have to be good at everything as a trial lawyer.” Brian Panish knows because he practices what he preaches. On this episode of Trial Lawyers ...
Joe Fried – Emotional Mastery: Using Neuroscience to Influence, Persuade, & Win Big
14 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
“Fake it till you make it”. Sounds cliché, but it turns out there’s science behind it when it comes to controlling emotions. If your trial prep...
Welcome to Trial Lawyers University
10 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Satisfied with being an average trial attorney? This isn't the podcast for you.Welcome to Trial Lawyers University (TLU), the ultimate playbook for la...