What happens when we reduce people to mere data points in a world driven by economic values? In this episode, Marshall Ganz, the Rita T. Hauser Senior Lecturer in Leadership, Organizing, and Civil Society at the Harvard Kennedy School, discusses how health care and other systems risk dehumanization by reducing people to data points, driven by economic values rather than human complexity. He argues that real power is relational, emerging through interdependence and that social movements succeed by focusing on people-based power instead of wealth or authority. Social movements, he explains, are more than protests; they require sustained practices, relationship-building, and a commitment to values transformation to create a lasting impact. Reflecting on his experiences with Cesar Chavez, Marshall underscores the need for moral, accountable institutions and emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and practical engagement in driving change. His new book, People, Power, Change, champions hope as essential, believing in the possibility of meaningful outcomes even amid uncertainty. Tune in as Marshall Ganz shares powerful insights on transforming communities, challenging the status quo, and reclaiming humanity in systems like health care! About CareQuest: CareQuest Institute for Oral Health is a national nonprofit dedicated to creating an oral health care system that is accessible, equitable, and integrated. Learn more about how their advocacy, philanthropy, research, and education are creating a better oral health system at carequest.org/turnonthelights Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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