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Unexpected Elements

The Soaring Price of Condoms

01 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 18.408 Marnie Chesterton

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Tulosyy, kovat kuukautiskivut.

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20.939 - 40.97 Marnie Chesterton

Muistatko, kun vaihdettiin markasta euro ja kaikki kelasi kuuden kertotaulua? Muistan, siitä on kyllä aikaa. Muistatko, koska tämä terassi on viimeksi käsitelty? Kuinka vanha sä luulet mun olevan? Olisiko kesären van aika? Käsittele terassi säännöllisesti Tikkurilan Valtti plus terassiöljyllä. Ja se kestää kauniina vuosikymmenestä toiseen.

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47.787 - 72.543 Marnie Chesterton

If you asked people to name a famous lost city, I suspect the list might include Machu Picchu in Peru or maybe Pompeii in Italy. But this week I've been thinking of a more recent lost civilisation, Fordlandia. After the end of the First World War, the increased demand for rubber led car manufacturer Henry Ford to a bold plan –

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72.543 - 90.886 Marnie Chesterton

Build an outpost of his empire closer to the raw material needed for his car's tires. He bought 13,000 square kilometers of the Amazon and set about building his American dream. Rows of houses with picket fences, a dance hall, a golf course.

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90.886 - 111.018 Marnie Chesterton

But Fordlandia was built on the supposed success of the rubber plantation. And because the rubber tree is native to Brazil, that's also the home to its numerous pests. Caterpillars swarmed across two densely planted rubber trees, and the fungus they carried doomed the plantation.

111.018 - 124.433 Marnie Chesterton

Today most rubber comes from South Asia, where the South American leaf blight has so far been kept away. I'm Marni Chasterton from the BBC World Service. This is Unexpected Elements.

137.562 - 162.892 Marnie Chesterton

And I'm joined as ever by a global panel of science journalists. We have Sandy Ong in Singapore. Hello, hello. Hi, Marni. Ni hao. And journalist Lerni Joubert. You used to live in Cape Town, but Lerni, you're now our van life correspondent. Where are you this week? Marni, I am on the wild coast on the eastern side of South Africa, near a place called Port St. John's. Lovely.

Chapter 2: How is the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz affecting condom prices?

162.892 - 181.066 Marnie Chesterton

So, what we do on Unexpected Elements each week is we take a story from the news and we use that as our jump-off point to discuss a world of interesting science. So, given that I started the show musing about rubber production, let's hear what kicked that off.

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182.365 - 206.935 Leonie Joubert

Marine traffic through the Strait of Hormuz has collapsed as a result of the US-Israel war with Iran. Right now it's effectively closed and the impacts are being felt worldwide. Oil prices just impact everything from transportation into materials and plastics that we use. Condoms could be getting a lot more expensive. The world's biggest condom maker, Carex, says it will raise its prices by up to 30% or more.

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209.146 - 231.742 Marnie Chesterton

Yes, this is the story that the world's largest condom manufacturer, Carex, who make 5 billion condoms a year, plan to raise their prices by 20, 30, possibly more percent. All due to the fact that the supply chain of raw materials continues to be disrupted by the Iran war and the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

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231.742 - 255.586 Marnie Chesterton

Sandy, have you heard of the condom crisis? Yeah, actually, partly because Carex, the manufacturer, is based in Malaysia, which is literally on our doorstep. Marni, back to you. Tell me, how has a lack of oil led to this condom crisis? That is exactly what I was wondering. And a lot of condoms are made of natural latex, which is produced from this tree, the Hevia brasiliensis.

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255.586 - 284.78 Marnie Chesterton

Oil comes in because the raw latex is treated with ammonia to preserve it. And the ammonia comes several steps down the line from the refinement of crude oil. It's not the only product that relies on oil and petrochemicals in the manufacturing process. But in unexpected fashion we're going to focus on the most surprising, which to us was condom prices. So, condom price hike and possible shortage, there is our starting point.

284.78 - 309.13 Marnie Chesterton

Lani, where do you want to take us from here? Well, Marni, it seems there's been a bit of a boom or bust situation down under in Koalaville. Koalas have been in the news quite a lot of late, mostly because their numbers are dropping. According to the IUCN listing, they are regarded as vulnerable. But in 2022, Australian law recognised them as endangered.

309.13 - 337.767 Marnie Chesterton

But there are some refuges where koalas are doing so well that conservationists have had to turn to prophylactics. When you say prophylactics, please tell me you're talking about condoms for koalas. That would add an interesting spin, but not quite. Really, they're just using the same good old-fashioned hormone treatment that liberated us back in the 1960s. Specifically, they're using an implant containing a synthetic hormone that mimics progesterone.

337.767 - 359.148 Marnie Chesterton

It's not that new in koala management though. Apparently some populations have been kept in check for at least 20 years in this sort of method from what I can find. I'm a little bit confused though, because if koala populations are vulnerable, it seems weird to be giving koala birth control to the ones that are thriving, no?

359.148 - 383.178 Marnie Chesterton

Kyllä, se näyttää hieman yksinkertaiselta, mutta asia on se, että koalat ovat todella hyvät syötäjät. He pystyvät kasvamaan vain muutamia yksilöitä eukalyptoista. Ja Suomalaisessa Estä-Australiassa he ovat yliopistoneet manna-kummi-eukalyptoista paikoillaan. Ja jos se tapahtuu, se tappaa koalaa ja se voi edistää isoja koalapopulaita, jotka ovat syötäneet.

Chapter 3: What innovative methods are being used for koala contraception?

663.657 - 692.429 Marnie Chesterton

So these gloves were made from nitrile and latex, which are two very commonly used materials when it comes to lab gloves. Okay, and there's our connection to the news story. It's latex. But as we discussed at the start, latex is rubber, not plastic. So what's the contaminant? So it turns out that these types of gloves contain something called stearates. Now these are soap-like particles that manufacturers add to disposable gloves to help them separate easily from the moulds that are used to make them.

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692.429 - 720.458 Marnie Chesterton

Kuten sinä oikeasti sanoit, Marni, nämä eivät ole plastikkoja, mutta niillä on erittäin erilaisia kemikaalistuksia kuin polyethylen, joka on yksi suurin tyyppi plastikkoja, joita löydämme ympäristössä tänään. Ja siksi steroidit ovat vaikuttaneet mikroplastikkojen testaukseen. He löysivät, että nämä nitroli- ja latexluvut käsittelevät noin 7000 steroidia per kuusi millimetriä. Ja lopputulos tästä koko tutkimuksesta on se, että ehkä jotkut tutkijat ovat ymmärtäneet ymmärtävästi mikroplastikkojen tasoja tutkimuksessaan.

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720.458 - 738.211 Marnie Chesterton

This is interesting. I can think of a solution, and that means getting completely naked in the lab when they do the sampling. I imagine, though, that it would probably be a bit of a breach of office protocol, though. Sandy, what solution did they come up with?

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738.211 - 754.748 Marnie Chesterton

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone's going to bite on the naked researchers solution. But what these Michigan researchers found was that clean room gloves actually perform better than nitrile and latex gloves in the sense that they release far fewer chemicals.

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754.748 - 783.014 Marnie Chesterton

Ne tekevät käytännössä samaa asiaa kuin muissa tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä tyypillisissä

783.014 - 802.252 Marnie Chesterton

Kyllä, toivottavasti. Ja tämä on juuri se, mitä tutkijat käsittelevät paperissaan. Mikroplastiikki-alueet voivat olla ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä

802.252 - 822.603 Marnie Chesterton

Thank you, Sandy. So, we've started with the price of prophylactics and via koala contraceptives we've just heard how rubber gloves may be shedding and muddying the waters when those waters are microplastic samples. Still to come on the show, whatever happens to the male contraceptive? Find out after this.

825.1 - 847.156 Marnie Chesterton

Hei, tässä on Alice. Nyt on aika Unexpected Elements-kysymykseen. Kondomit voivat osallistua suuremman roolin yhteiskunnalliseen terveydenhuoltoon, jolla voidaan vahvistaa ulkoilmoituksia ja seksuaalisia infektioita. Yhteiskunnallisen terveydenhuoltojen mukaan kondomit ovat käyttäneet 117 miljoonia uusia HIV-infektioita vuonna 1990.

847.156 - 874.493 Marnie Chesterton

Researches have been experimenting with mixing latex with other materials to make condoms stronger, thinner and a bit more comfortable. So this week I want to know what material have scientists not added to latex condoms? A. Grass, B. Graphene or C. Gelatine. Again, what material have scientists not added to condoms? A. Grass, B. Graphene or C. Gelatine.

Chapter 4: How are elephants managed for population control?

975.052 - 999.74 Professor John Amory

Varsinkin naisille ei ole aikoja, jolloin miehet eivät ole syödyttäviä. Naiset eivät tuoda äidit, kun he ovat syödyttäviä. Viennilliset kontraseptit yleensä ymmärrettävät syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä syötä

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1000.178 - 1025.288 Professor John Amory

Can you give us, John, a potted history of attempts to make the male contraceptive? Well, the fun part of the story is it actually started even before we had female contraceptives. So as early as the 1950s, there were efforts on parts of several investigators to develop male contraceptives. And they succeeded to a degree, but the medications had significant side effects. And so when the female pill was introduced in 1961, they were largely abandoned.

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1025.288 - 1049.96 Professor John Amory

Yhteykset aloittivat 80-luvulla maailman terveydenhuollon jälkeen, kun käsitettiin, että testosteronin edistämisen pitäisi vähentää syrjinnän tuotantoa yleisimmille maailmalle. Tämä liittyi kahdelle monimutkaiselle keskustelulle maailman terveydenhuollon jälkeen, joka edistettiin 80-luvun ja 90-luvun jälkeen. Se ei saanut seurauksia muutaman syrjinnän jälkeen. Ensinnäkin, testosteroni täytyy edistää injektionissa.

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1049.96 - 1066.261 Professor John Amory

Järjestelmä ei ollut suurin osa tutkimuksista, ja emme tiedä, miksi mennäisistä ei vastaa, eikä tiedetä, miten heidät tunnistaa. Kerro minulle tutkimuksia, joita on tehty, jotta voidaan luoda henkilökohtaisen kontraseptin.

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1066.885 - 1096.703 Professor John Amory

The field has moved away from the injections, which need to be administered in a doctor's office, to self-administration of a daily gel. We just finished a large trial of 462 couples, including sites in Africa and South America. This was to test the contraceptive efficacy of a daily testosterone and nestrone gel. And that study is about to be published. The hope is that that study will lead to even a larger so-called phase 3 study that would allow for the drug to be approved and then introduced to the market.

1096.805 - 1122.607 Professor John Amory

Parallella näistä etuista on paljon ihmisiä, jotka työskentelevät erilaisista menetelmiin henkilökohtaisesti. Minä käsittelen heitä kolmeen kategoriin. Ensimmäinen kategoria on henkilökohtaiset, jotka pysyvät syrjintään. Voit ajatella kondomeja ja visektomia siinä kategoriin. On joitakin yrityksiä, jotka työskentelevät käsittelyyn vertailevien hydrogelit. Toinen kategoria on henkilökohtaiset henkilökohtaiset, jotka pysyvät syrjintään.

1122.607 - 1141.372 Professor John Amory

Nämä ovat parantuneita syystä, että syrjintä on 0, mikä on erittäin hyödyllistä kontraseptiivista. Näiden kanssa on ongelma, että syrjintän lopputulos on haastavaa, kuten mainitsin. Lisäksi syrjintä on lopputulos. Esimerkiksi Englannissa tapahtuu yleensä päiväpillin tutkimus, jota kutsutaan YCT529.

1141.372 - 1165.03 Professor John Amory

It's a drug that blocks not hormones, but something called retinoic acid, which is the active form of vitamin A. Turns out vitamin A is necessary to make sperm. So this is a novel approach being tested actually right now in England in a phase 2 study. And then the last category that really hasn't made it to clinical trials yet, but is being studied in a laboratory are contraceptives that block sperm function.

1165.03 - 1194.781 Marnie Chesterton

One of the unique things about sperm is they swim. Very clever chemists can develop inhibitors of those functions. And that's been tested to a degree in animal models, but not in humans to my knowledge. So you've got these three different approaches. You've got blocking the sperm from getting out. You've got blocking the sperm from being produced. And then you've got blocking the sperm from being able to swim anywhere once they are produced. Have you got a frontrunner?

Chapter 5: How do microplastics relate to the production of condoms?

1296.858 - 1310.442 Marnie Chesterton

Kyllä, se on todella kiva. Kuuntelit Fase 2b-klinikkojen kohdalla, ja kysyn, onko se seuraava, jonka olemme saaneet klinikkojen kohdalla ihmisten kanssa, ja mikä on pysähtynyt klinikkojen kohdalla aiemmin?

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1310.577 - 1337.138 Professor John Amory

It's a great question. These hormonal approaches, especially long-acting injections, were tested very extensively in China in the mid-2000s. And one thing about these hormonal methods is they tend to be more effective in men of Asian descent. So we all thought, oh, that'll get approved. At the last minute, the regulatory body said, not going to approve it. Didn't make it clear why. So sometimes there's a shroud over these things we don't fully understand.

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1337.138 - 1352.63 Professor John Amory

Se on tärkein asia, josta olen tietoinen. Toiset ovat olleet ongelmissa, kuten luottaminen, hyökkäys ja turvallisuus. Se on yksi haasteista. En tarkoita, että olen ylipäänsä kriittinen normaalisti, koska jos olisin olleen heidän rauhassaan, ei ole enää eduutta.

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1352.63 - 1378.178 Professor John Amory

The risk is to the user, but the benefit is to another person. I'm not aware of a medication or medical intervention that works in that way. It's kind of a unique medical ethics situation. So I think that has played into the regulatory stasis, if you will. Well, Professor John Amory, thank you so much for coming on to Unexpected Elements. My pleasure. Thank you for having me and for the great questions and your interest in male contraceptive development.

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1383.275 - 1402.04 Marnie Chesterton

So, who would have thought that the blocking of the Straits of Hormuz would have led to a conversation about whatever happened to the male contraceptive? We've got here thanks to the rise in the price of condoms, which is an unexpected consequence of the oil needed to produce this latex-based product.

1403.744 - 1416.907 Marnie Chesterton

Still to come on the show. Birds do it. Bees do it. Eels? We're not so sure. Until now, we hear how Chinese scientists have finally managed to make eels breed in captivity. Stay with us.

1427.133 - 1445.138 Unknown

NASA's Artemis II mission crew has returned home safely after successfully completing their groundbreaking voyage around the moon. Splashdown confirmed. Humans are back in the business of going to the moon. But while the mission is over, the Artemis space program is just getting started.

1445.375 - 1465.49 Unknown

13 Minutes, the BBC Space podcast, is looking back on their epic journey and discovering what the future holds for the Artemis Space program. Just imagine what we as humans can do next. 13 Minutes presents Artemis 2 from the BBC World Service. Listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

1468.274 - 1480.559 Marnie Chesterton

Tulosyy, kovat kuukautiskivut. Etuhintainen gynekologi käynti alle 27-vuotiaille nuorille naisille nyt vain 99 euroa. Terveystalossa olet gynekologin hyvissä käsissä.

Chapter 6: What challenges exist in developing a male contraceptive pill?

1867.03 - 1890.503 Marnie Chesterton

He says that eel trafficking is a massive industry globally. In 2020 there were more eels trafficked to Asia than there were drugs and guns. In the illegal market in Europe, something like 3 billion euros of trafficked eels every year. Can I just ask, does that mean that I've potentially eaten an illegally trafficked eel?

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1890.503 - 1906.096 Marnie Chesterton

I don't know whether the trafficking is going both ways, and I don't know how much of the illegal market is happening internal within Europe, but certainly trafficked from Europe to the East is the problem.

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1906.231 - 1931.324 Marnie Chesterton

Well, thank you, Leonie, and also Sandy. I love that we've all got an eel from our bit of the world, and they all have epic journeys. And I do wonder what it is that's got the eel doing this, because you would have thought that breeding with the eel next door is kind of simpler and easier way of passing on your genes, but there you go.

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1931.324 - 1944.385 Marnie Chesterton

Listeners, any eel stories you'd like to share? The email address, the eel mail address is unexpected at bbc.co.uk.

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1946.697 - 1972.803 Marnie Chesterton

And we make space each week to open up the postbag and see what you've been sending in. Let's go first to our WhatsApp messages. We've got one from Mr. Sadek in Saudi Arabia. Leonie, do you want to read it first? Sure. Mr. Sadek says, The radiation and isotope issue took my attention in your last episode when you said that some of our food is radioactive.

1972.803 - 1992.108 Marnie Chesterton

Minun kysymykseni on, miten yleiset ihmiset voivat tutkia tai olla varmoja, että onko jotain huomattavaa ruokaa, ja pysyä välttämällä sitä? Minun pitäisi sanoa, että viimeisellä jaksona, se oli Chinoven 40 vuotta sitten,

1992.108 - 2021.707 Marnie Chesterton

And we were talking about radiation. I mentioned that bananas and Brazil nuts are radioactive. They aren't the only food. Carrots, potatoes, butter beans, lots of other things are a tiny bit radioactive. Let's be clear here. This is not because they've somehow been contaminated. It's because there's naturally occurring isotopes. They're radioactive variants of elements like potassium, carbon, radium. They're all present in the air and the soil. So...

2021.707 - 2048.639 Marnie Chesterton

It's not really a cause for concern. One banana contains approximately 1% of the radiation that you're exposed to every single day just by existing. And just to check, the science unit calculated how many bananas you'd need to eat before you died of acute radiation poisoning. And it's about 5 million bananas. Your stomach would burst first. So there you go.

2048.707 - 2064.923 Marnie Chesterton

I don't think I've ever eaten a million bananas in my lifetime, or that I ever will, actually. Yeah, my brothers used to play a who can eat the most, and I think it was 18, and you feel a bit unwell after that, so I wouldn't recommend. Anyway, back to our postbag.

Chapter 7: What are the societal implications of rising condom prices?

2226.029 - 2235.766 Marnie Chesterton

3080 and we might read it out. Still to come, does the moon's gravitational pull make you lighter at night time? That's coming up after this.

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2238.837 - 2256.505 Marnie Chesterton

Hello, it's Alice again and I'm back with the quiz answer. Earlier we found out that researchers are experimenting with innovative materials in order to improve condoms. And I asked which of these materials have scientists not used in latex condoms? A. Grass B. Graphene

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2256.742 - 2275.253 Marnie Chesterton

Tai C. Gelatin? Ja vastaus on C. Gelatin. Ei, ei ole gelatin-based-kondomia. Toivottavasti tutkijat Queenslandin yliopistossa Australiassa ovat saaneet cellulose-fibreja natalaisessa spinafex-kastassa ja lisänneet sen latexiin, jotta se olisi vahvempi ja pienempi kondomi.

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2275.253 - 2289.412 Marnie Chesterton

Ja grafiini? Kyllä, se karbon-based wonder-materiaali on liittynyt latexiin, jotta vahvistetaan vahvistus ja kondomien lämmitys. Hyvä tehtävä, jos olet saanut sen oikein, mutta älä huomioi, jos olet saanut sen väärin. Seuraavassa viikossa on toinen kurssi.

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2296.583 - 2307.991 Marnie Chesterton

We've now got to that part of the show where one of our curious listeners writes in with a science question and we bring in an expert to get to the bottom of it. It's time to ask the unexpected.

2316.563 - 2334.147 Marnie Chesterton

This week our question comes from Richard, who asks, If the moon's gravitational pull is such that it can move the sea, which must weigh millions of tons, why does it not affect people or objects? Why does it not make us lighter at night?

2334.147 - 2352.338 Marnie Chesterton

To answer Richard's question, we reached out to Claudia Duraam, professor of theoretical physics at Imperial College London. The gravitational pull of the moon does in fact affect everything on earth, including us as human beings, but the effect is incredibly small really.

2352.338 - 2370.395 Marnie Chesterton

Joten syy, miksi luonnon gravitaatiohjelma vaikuttaa ilmiöihin, joilla ne ovat melko näkyviä ja todella fenomenalisia, on se, että ilmiöt ovat todella suuria ja heikkoja ja heikkoja ympäri maailmaa.

2370.395 - 2391.404 Marnie Chesterton

Mutta jos ajattelisimme luonnollisen vahvistuksen vaikutuksen, esimerkiksi vahvistuksessa, niin se on melko pieni vahvistus. Me ihmiset olemme melko pieniä vahvistuksia, paljon paremmin kuin vahvistuksen määrä kuin iso jää tai maa.

Chapter 8: How does the moon's gravity affect our weight at night?

2968.09 - 2994.027 Marnie Chesterton

But over the course of the show, we've learned why koalas and elephants also need contraceptives, whatever happens to the male pill for humans, and why eels have been encouraged to breed in captivity for the first time by Chinese scientists. Sandy, have you got a favourite fact that you've picked up over the course of the show? I think my favourite fact from today was learning that there's a COVID-like test for sperm levels.

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2994.095 - 3022.529 Marnie Chesterton

Leoni? Olin yllättynyt kuulemaan, kuinka teknisesti vaikeaa on luoda henkilökohtaisuutta. Olin aina ajatellut, että syy, miksi emme etsineet enemmän, on se, että se oli vain henkilöpolitiikkaa, ja että henkilöt olivat seurattaneet sen, ja se oli yllättynyt tutkimuksia henkilökohtaisuuden ja vahvistunut naisen huolta. Tämä on saanut minulle muuttaa näkökulmani.

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3028.57 - 3050.255 Marnie Chesterton

I really ought to thank my princesses of prophylactics who've joined me on the panel today. Esteemed journalist Sandy Ong in Singapore, thank you. Thank you Marnie, thank you for bestowing that honour upon me. And Leonie Joubert in South Africa, thank you. It's been a delight. Do we get crowns and hamburgers for all of you? Crowns for everyone.

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3050.255 - 3064.328 Marnie Chesterton

I'm Marni Chesterton. The producer was Ella Hubber with Alice Lipscomb-Southwell, Robby Wojtahowski and Georgia Christie. Studio production was by Yasmin Karvaji. Do join us again next week for more Unexpected Elements.

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3079.499 - 3097.572 Unknown

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3120.64 - 3132.925 Marnie Chesterton

Etuhintainen gynekologi käynti alle 27-vuotiaille nuorille naisille nyt vain 99 euroa. Terveystalossa olet gynekologin hyvissä käsissä.

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