Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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My mother-in-law spent years sabotaging our relationship until karma made her pay for it. All right, Sophia, tell me about how we started this story.
Chapter 2: What challenges did Lala and Ambyr face in their relationships?
She moved in for two weeks, lasted five days, left a mess, and then pressed her ear against their bedroom door and burst in screaming.
When kicked out to a hotel, she called her son-in-law's workplace, pretending his partner had been rushed to the hospital by ambulance.
She's faked a medical emergency? And spoiler, that was just the beginning. To find out how it ends, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me.
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Chapter 3: How did jealousy impact their friendship?
Hi, Amber. Hi, Lala. Welcome to an unlikely affair. Hi, babes. It is Lala Kent with my ride or die, Amber Childers via Zoom. I miss you so much. I can't even stand it. Is that weird? I'm going through something where like I really miss people that are far away. Ooh, no, it's not weird. I miss you too. And I miss Ocean and I miss Sosa.
Actually, I had a moment, Amber, where I looked at Sosa because she wanted to see what was going on on the phone. She's a year and a half. It's not like she's sitting there being like, well, I don't have siblings. She just wanted to know what was going on. Ocean said, I'm talking to my sisters and took the phone and walked away from Sosa. And I looked at Sosa with such a heavy heart.
And I'm like, I feel like I need to give you a sibling because... I don't want you to feel like you don't have anybody. Like your sister has you, but she also has another group on the other side. And you're just kind of flying solo where it's like, hi, I'm as good as it gets, babe. I don't know. No, that's not, she's not even thinking about that.
And I know you are, but that's like, no, I think that's guilt. That's just you feeling guilty that they have separate people. quote, like fathers. And I think a lot of women can relate to that. And maybe like when they get into a second relationship, they have another child or two, right? But that's up to you. I personally feel that like,
You do a great job of just helping everybody feel like family. And that's our responsibility. You and I specifically. I feel a deep responsibility to make sure, even when things were really tough with us, I felt a deep responsibility to make sure that these girls stay connected on a level. Because I have sisters and I know how deeply I rely on them at times in my life.
And I wanted to make sure that that happened with Ocean. And Sosa's going to be great. She's going to feel so loved. There's so much love in that house. She's never going to feel like, I don't know. I feel like your kids always end up finding some way to be disappointed with you when you get older. But don't worry about it. She's fine. Unless you were looking for an excuse to have another baby.
That's a whole other conversation. The door still is not closed on another baby, but right now I'm tired. I'm very tired. And I want to go back to what you just said about kind of creating that household where even when you and I were not getting along because there were deep wounds-
That I think even during those moments, you and I, whether we vocalized it to each other, it didn't matter because I know that deep down in our hearts, it was like we knew what the grander purpose was. and what was going to stand the test of time, which is the relationship that you and I had to incubate for our kids.
Even when I was still with that person, I think we both knew, you know, the girls coming over and spending time with Ocean. And it was very short-lived, right? Ocean was seven months when I left the relationship. So you and I really had to rise to the occasion. And when we started communicating and I made the amends, I have to know, what was going through your head?
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Chapter 4: What lessons did they learn from their experiences with motherhood?
And I say this often when people talk about relationships, whether it's friendships, intimate partners, when they say, you know, I don't understand this person's unhappy. Why did they not leave? And it's like, you don't understand what it feels like to become comfortable when something is your normal. Even though maybe deep down, you know that happiness lies elsewhere outside of what you're in.
It's terrifying because when you wake up and this is your normal, you know the drill. And I feel like with... I obviously know why you didn't like me in those moments. I cannot... Actually, I know exactly why I didn't like you. We've talked about this. I felt that you were that person who gave him things that I had not given him yet, which was children.
And now that I have kids, I know that feeling of like, I love my kids, right? But and granted, this person that we're talking about is incapable of love.
But I know now that if I were to venture into dating someone who had kids with someone else, now that I have children, it's fully possible to break free of the mother of your children or father of your children and separate your kids from the person who produced them. Right.
Mm hmm.
Like that's over. You may be grateful for the person that gave you the kids, but that's not the ultimate tie if I'm making any sense, which is why I didn't like you. Because I was like, there's a tie that he has with this woman that I have not at the time fulfilled. And again, you were a talented woman. You were beautiful, poised. And I just, I felt very insecure about the whole thing.
I couldn't give anyone a reason why I didn't like you other than I think it was deep-rooted jealousy. As I get older, I think I can admit those things. And I've had many friendships in my lifetime. I keep a very tight circle. And as we get older, we're both in our mid-approaching late 30s. Jesus. I love that. I always say I'm okay to age.
And then I look at my face and I'm like, what is this fucking new wrinkle in sunspot? I'm going to lose my goddamn mind. But I don't know that we... are supposed to be gathering new friends in our 30s. I think we're supposed to be cutting out and forming our tight little circle. I think friendship in your 20s is very different in your 30s.
When you have a friendship in your 20s, it's based on proximity. Your kids go to school. There's all of these things that play into its convenience. right? I feel like convenience is the key, like people that you work with. And then when life starts happening in your thirties, it's more of you have less time. Okay. So if I have less time, this is me speaking for myself.
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Chapter 5: How do they navigate feelings of sibling guilt?
I was like, damn, my social calendar is pretty full. I've never had it like this. Like I've got some friends. And in a matter of months, and you were there, you watched it. I was like, this is why. This is why you don't let people in like this. And I'm grateful that people show who they are. And by the way, they're not bad people. I'm not a bad person. We just don't mesh.
And I'm glad I found out now. The way you move is different from how I move. And we just, we're not in alignment. For me, I don't think it needs to be some big conversation. I have discovered you no longer fill my cup. So like, wish you the best. And you're on your way. I like having a tight group of people around me. Of course. I mean, it's emotional safety. That's what friendship is.
It's very different.
I love that you just said that. Emotional safety. Keep going. Tell me more, baby. That is the big O for me. Emotional safety. Yeah, I don't... For me, I don't want a perfect friendship. I just want something that's real. And if that means that we're going to have a disagreement, I know a true friendship is going to be able to get through that disagreement in a peaceful way, right? Yeah.
I feel emotionally safe enough with you to say... I didn't like that. That like really kind of hurt my feelings. Or like, I don't know, I feel safe with you because I know you'll be able to self-reflect and be able to come forward and say, you know what, you're right. Or maybe you need a beat. Some friendships, they need to take breaks and that's okay.
And some friendships will come back together a year or two years later. I've gone through friendships that have broken up and it literally has crushed me more than a romantic breakup because it hurts because there's so much more it's like we're sisters, right? And it's just a different level. I feel like with romantic breakups, there's rules, there's labels, there's endings.
And when friendships just like shift and disappear, it really hurt. For me, it really hurts me. I think it hurts way worse than a romantic relationship ending. I think with you and I, I think we started backwards. We started up with a breakup. And then, you know what I mean? We've had this reverse friendship. Because it killed me at times. I'm like, I don't understand why we can't just get along.
I just didn't understand. I'm like, I'm trying to come forward and be open-minded. And because, again, staying in the pain, like... here's the thing about like betrayal. It could transform you or you could stay stuck. And I knew that was up to me. And so like in that beginning, I wanted it so bad, but I wasn't ready just to be free. I wasn't ready to be free, but now I feel so free with you.
Like I, when you and I had that conversation when I was flying home yesterday, I mean, we're just on the same frequency. It's not always going to be like that, but I know that
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of trust in their friendship?
She did not burst in while they were... She did. They kicked her out and paid for her hotel. And they thought, it's finally over. Days later, she called her son-in-law at work, claiming that his partner had been in some kind of freak accident and had been rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. He called every hospital in the city, and his partner was making coffee the entire time.
She faked a medical emergency just to test whether or not he loved her son?
Yeah, and she sat in the hospital parking lot, waiting for him to see if he would show up. When that didn't work, she walked into the son-in-law's police station and filed a kidnapping report against him.
She filed a kidnapping report against him in his own police station.
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In 2023, former Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth.
You doctored this particular test twice in so-and-so, correct?
I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. they would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing.
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Chapter 7: How did they overcome past betrayals?
I have no idea why. Which part? All of it. Aw. Cause it didn't hurt. Nothing hurt. Like I, again, I will let you know if something ever hurts my feelings, but it's like they say in a relationship, you have to pick and choose your battles. And that's what we have to do.
Like in life with our kids, with romantically, with our friendships, like in those moments where you think, especially in San Francisco, like, that had nothing to do with you and more of like my own personal, like a, like reflection of that doesn't bother me, but something else is coming up for me. It was like, I had to peel back the layers of what it, and it wasn't, it was not you at all.
It was like, why do I feel this way? Cause there's maybe, maybe there was some cutting truth to it. Maybe, but at the same time, you're a grown woman who can work through those things. And if you needed my, if it was like an onion and we needed to peel back layers, I don't ever want to add to someone going through internal conflict, right?
And we always, as women, when we're in relationships, it's like the classic, like, yeah, go out and have fun, baby. And then he goes out and has fun and you're mad about it. And it's like, it's because I want you to read my fucking mind. women are good together. I think because I can look at you and maybe what I'm saying is not affecting you, but it's deeper than that.
So my job in that moment is to read your face, the energy of the room shifts. And I go, whatever I've said could have just added to something that she's already dealing with. Not on my watch. I don't want to do that because I know that I wouldn't want someone to do that to me. So there's that.
We're so... You and I are like, without the intimacy, obviously we haven't hooked up, but we are like girlfriend and girlfriend. I'm telling you. It's just so incredible how far we have come because I have friends who were not in situations like the two of us, right? I'm a pretty trusting person, but after shit went left... With the person that we were both with, I didn't trust anybody.
I trusted nobody. I had lost faith in humanity. But there was something about every time your name popped up on my phone that it was... It got easier and easier with every single text and phone call to say, I am safe with this person. Because... You knew better than anybody. You knew way better than me. I didn't know him at all. You knew him like the back of your hand. You knew the patterns.
There were things that would happen and you would go, oh, he's going through this right now. And like clockwork, that's what was happening. And then, like I said, over time, we started talking about, you know, the new guy you were dating or I'm having trouble with Ocean with this. And it was like I blinked. I can't pinpoint the moment where I was like, this girl is like my soulmate.
Like we're friends. We're going to work through everything that comes our way. The stakes are high because our children are sisters. But I cannot remember that groundbreaking moment of like, I trust her. It just kind of happened for me. I love that. Right? Yeah. I do too, because there's nothing, I have such, I'm like happier than I've ever been in my whole life.
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Chapter 8: What insights do they share about friendship breakups?
And how everyone gets to go out and party and they live normal lives. And like, I'm, you know, 16 and my mom died. And he basically says to her, nobody gets out of this life unscathed. And I don't know why that's that like struck me so hard, but it's so true that
I used to think that my trauma and what I had been through, and by the way, this is just recent that I've tried to get rid of it, but I'm like, I'm wearing this. This is like a badge of honor to me. It's like a medal, the shit that I've been through. Bitch, show me a person who hasn't been through shit. Now that person deserves the fucking medal.
Show me a person who isn't traumatized by something. And that I will celebrate and go, you go. Because we're all fucked up. It's what life does. Yeah. Life really hurts physically. Look at my scars getting so much better. Emotionally. But it's funny you say that because I was on the airplane and I was thinking the same thing last night. Literally the same thought was, you're not special.
Now that's tough to swallow, right?
You're not special.
What makes you think you're so special? I know. Well, because we're the main character in our stories. Yeah. When you're telling someone a story and they just sit there and they're like, wow, that's crazy. And I'm like, no, that's not fucking crazy. Your jaw should be on the floor. Then you have to remind yourself. Not that big of a deal. Self-pity can be a bitch.
Yeah.
Oh, I love to wallow in some self-pity. And then, then I'm like, wait, what? This is not serving anyone right now. What am I doing? Shut the fuck up. Get over yourself. There's a reason you didn't get that role in Taylor Sheridan's show. Okay. But then they called you back like three months later for another role. Okay. You didn't get that role. Like stop with the self, but guess what?
I could wake up tomorrow and I could be the star of a new show, baby. And I'm like, okay, no more self-pity. You know what I mean? It's, it's always something. Let me tell you what's going to blow your mind because when I thought about this, it blew my mind. How quickly shit changes. You sit there in your victim mentality of all of the things that you didn't get that part, right?
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