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India And Pakistan Conflict, Papal Conclave Begins, Transgender Military Ban

07 May 2025

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What triggered the recent India and Pakistan conflict?

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When it comes to the numbers of people, how many trans individuals are in the military right now under the policy that allowed them to enlist and serve?

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723.832 - 731.053 Ajaz Rao

According to Pentagon, about 0.2 percent of active military forces or about 4,000 individuals.

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So, Nina, I'm wondering, who are the plaintiffs that brought this challenge?

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734.821 - 752.494 Ajaz Rao

They're a group of current and aspiring transgender service members, including lead plaintiff Emily Schilling, a Navy pilot who's flown more than 60 combat missions over her nearly two decades of military service. Ruling in their favor, Judge Benjamin Settle in Washington state.

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who's a George W. Bush appointee, concluded that the government's classification of gender dysphoria as a disqualifying medical condition was essentially a ruse, motivated by hostility towards transgender people.

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So, safe to say that the Supreme Court will eventually actually rule on this?

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Probably the case will come back to the court next term for a final ruling, regardless of who wins in the Ninth Circuit.

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All right, that's NPR's Nina Totenberg. Nina, thanks.

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My pleasure.

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