Occupy Gaza Plan, Ukraine Ceasefire Talks, China Economy
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What are Israel's plans for Gaza?
Israel is making plans to occupy Gaza.
You cannot destroy Hamas without controlling the entire Gaza Strip.
But what would it take to hold the territory, and what does it mean for the Palestinians living there?
I'm Steve Inskeep with Michelle Martin, and this is Up First from NPR News. Negotiators from the United States and Ukraine met in Saudi Arabia over the weekend to iron out a ceasefire deal with Russia. But as bombs keep falling on Kyiv, is a real truce even possible?
And China is trying to rebalance its economy. Steve is in Beijing for China's annual conference for global business to find out how China is planning to deal with the U.S. trade war.
China is trying to rebalance its economy.
Falling back to the law of the jungle will be a regression in history and a tragedy for humanity.
Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. We have new details about military plans Israel has drawn up for Gaza.
Israel is considering a ground invasion to fully occupy the territory within a few months and establish Israeli military rule over Palestinians there. It's unclear whether these plans will actually be carried out. We do know that Israel resumed its war in Gaza, where Palestinians have updated their death count, saying it surpassed 50,000.
Can Israel control the Gaza Strip effectively?
NPR's Daniel Estrin is on the line with us now from Tel Aviv. Daniel, good morning.
Good morning, Michelle.
What can you tell us about these classified plans?
Well, I've spoken to two people who they reviewed the classified plans and they spoke to me on condition of anonymity to discuss them. The plans would have Israeli forces occupy Gaza, entering at multiple points, pushing Palestinians into a small zone designated for civilians and and that Israel is examining options for the military to control the distribution of food, which would be limited to a minimum caloric amount. Now, both people who reviewed these plans said it's unclear if they would really be carried out or if they're just a negotiation tactic to pressure Hamas to release more hostages. In fact, it might be both, getting some hostages free and Hamas captivity initially, but then gradually moving toward full military rule over Palestinians in Gaza, which would go far beyond what Israel has stated as its war goals. The military told me it would not comment on future operational plans.
Do these plans for Israel ruling Gaza have the support of the Trump administration?
We don't know. Trump administration officials did not return my requests for comment. We do know that Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed Israel's military operations in Gaza yesterday. We also know that President Trump's Mideast envoy, Steve Witkoff, has acknowledged that Bibi Netanyahu's return to war is not what many Israelis want. He talked about that in a podcast interview with commentator Tucker Carlson, published Friday.
I think Bibi feels that he's doing the right thing. I think he goes up against public opinion because public opinion there wants those hostages home.
And indeed, there have been daily protests in the streets here saying the return to war only benefits Netanyahu's right-wing coalition and endangers hostages in Gaza.
To that end, what are you hearing from Israelis about these plans for Gaza?
Some are seeing this as something that should have been done already and that can actually lead to the defeat of Hamas. We spoke with Amir Avivi, who's a former deputy commander of the military's Gaza division.
Do Israelis support the military occupation of Gaza?
You cannot destroy Hamas without controlling the entire Gaza Strip. Eventually, you'll have to control everything. Bringing a collapse of Hamas as a governmental and military entity, this can be achieved in a few months.
So he's saying a few months, but other Israeli defense officials and analysts who I spoke with are more skeptical about that. Also, Dan Shapiro, a top Pentagon official on Mideast policy under the Biden administration, spoke with us. They're saying, OK, well, once Israel occupies Gaza, then what? This could mire Israeli soldiers in Gaza for decades.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What are Israel's plans for Gaza?
0:03–1:23
2
Can Israel control the Gaza Strip effectively?
1:23–3:39
3
Do Israelis support the military occupation of Gaza?
3:39–5:43
4
What progress has been made in Ukraine ceasefire talks?
5:43–6:28
5
How does the situation in Kyiv reflect Putin's intentions?
6:28
6
What is the impact of China's economic policies on global trade?
0:32–12:25
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